Don't think the US cared about self-determination when the North stopped the South from seceding, or when they annexed Hawaii, or when they invaded Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Cuba, Haiti, Grenada and the Dominican Republic in the last century.
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Don't think the US cared about self-determination when the North stopped the South from seceding, or when they annexed Hawaii, or when they invaded Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Cuba, Haiti, Grenada and the Dominican Republic in the last century.
Put simply when some twat (or set of) in Brussels on a multi million salary with an open ended expense account tells me that the banana I want to eat is the wrong shape, thats the line in the sand. When we entered the EU it was on the basis of trade with a handful of other nations and this whole debacle has come about through successive failings of political parties to put our (UK) point across and this is no longer about just the economy its about autonomy. Laws on divorce for gods sake our now being ratified. These 5 presidents have no store in the UK, FFS if we are the second largest economy why isn't one of the Presidents British so that our voice can be heard. Lastly, Cameron before and Khan tonight lying bastards. Turkey have 34/35 treaties I think the word used they have to complete to gain status. I believe thats correct. They have told you that they haven't completed 1 of these treaties. Today on the radio it was announced that they had registered number 14 as recently as January of this year, its on the EU website apparently. I'm no politician, but my family haven't died in successive wars and we as city haven't lost out heritage and identity of a fishing industry to be overrun and told when we can fart.
Greece is broke Austria almost had fascists voted in, more French want out than in Dutch not far behind... In or out the whole EU power grabbing money gobbelling talking shop is on the ropes. Losing our 35 million a day wouldnt help but its imploding. Best out before your paying out to keep Greece Portugal etc afloat. Then there would be the contribution to new members Turkey Albania etc..
Nope we didnt. Thats a separate convo though and one that I would hold to my same standards. Simply because I live here in no one constitutes acceptance or justification for past or present actions. I certainly dont hold you Volitaire to the actions of your predecessors either.
I actually agree with your original point, that the Scots and Northern Irish should secede if they overwhelmingly support staying in whilst England and/or Wales votes out. I hoped the Scots seceded in 2014 but they obviously bottled it. I'm hoping we don't repeat their mistake.
Woefully ill informed? Who me? I put an i instead of an e and now I'm ill informed! Stop being condescending as I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinon thanks all the same. I find Peter HitchEns perfectly odious.
Well, considering he was a Eurosceptic backbench rebel for his entire parliamentary career, I thought the same.
Then I realised he's an unprincipled ****er just like the rest of them and as soon as he got a whiff of power he changed his 'principles' to cling onto it.
Very perceptive V.
After all, you can't enter a sewer without starting to stink of ****.
We're agreed on flaws.
Yours wasn't a conversation, it was a statement. It was also wrong, as Castro pointed out and you have ignored.
I would rather **** an hedgehog than discuss Texas or Northern California, as they mean less to me than Luxenborg.
One of the many spurious 'arguments' of the IN lobby: on our own, we would be less safe (from Putin).
As if the Belgians, Italians, Greeks etc would have come to our aid had we stayed in.
Whatever happened to NATO, eh?
He's old style socialist. He would be too embarrassed to do otherwise.
However much he might like to be isolationist on this one in opposition to the EU being part of the current world wide neo liberal hegemony.
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