Brendan's Survival
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The thing with Rodgers is, he doesn't have a defined strategy imo.
He appears to stumble across a winning system. Either when under pressure and trying anything he can think of to make a difference or by pure chance. He did the former last season when he switched to the 3 at the back and he did the latter in his best season when he shoe horned Sturridge and Suarez into the same starting XI, when Suarez came back from his ban.
What exactly is his preferred style and strategy? As you've gone from tiki taka to 'quarterback' hitting the channels, to high press, to 3-4-3 and now to what exactly?
Without a defined strategy how can you have structured, well thought out and reasoned transfer policy? As surely when you're buying players you should be doing so with a definite idea as to where player X fits and what improvment he'll bring to your system?
Rodgers appears to approach the job like he thinks he's inventing the ****ing game, and is constantly trying to be clever in creating something fresh, as opposed to deciding exactly how he wants them to play and coaching and recruting on that basis.
He appears to stumble across a winning system. Either when under pressure and trying anything he can think of to make a difference or by pure chance. He did the former last season when he switched to the 3 at the back and he did the latter in his best season when he shoe horned Sturridge and Suarez into the same starting XI, when Suarez came back from his ban.
What exactly is his preferred style and strategy? As you've gone from tiki taka to 'quarterback' hitting the channels, to high press, to 3-4-3 and now to what exactly?
Without a defined strategy how can you have structured, well thought out and reasoned transfer policy? As surely when you're buying players you should be doing so with a definite idea as to where player X fits and what improvment he'll bring to your system?
Rodgers appears to approach the job like he thinks he's inventing the ****ing game, and is constantly trying to be clever in creating something fresh, as opposed to deciding exactly how he wants them to play and coaching and recruting on that basis.
None of which I disagree with because as I stated he's had sufficient time to put it all in place. If he doesn't then on his head be it.
At worst we really are only arguing about one season difference. And I don't blame you for being sceptical that he will do it. It's just your tone has turned recently to suggest you won't accept it even if you see it. I could be wrong of course.
Despite his bravado or ego. You and Jimmy are right. He's reactionary rather than driven with a plan. I put it down in the first few years to being a young inexperienced coach.
As you say he's tried everything from tiki to pragmatism. I like to see a manager who reacts constructively in game when thing don't go to plan but I think he's a bit like BT''s Indian IT help centre. He reads off the cards and when your issue doesn't follow those cards he just goes back to first card and starts reading again. All he has done in write put plan b and c cards and thinks it will only go one of the three ways rather than an ebb and flow that football has.
I accepted this in the first three years as him educating himself. If he still hasn't figured it out now then we'll have a similar year and it'll be time to go.
Genuinely think it was inexperience at this level. Owners knew this when they hired them time frame is up so....
For me it is the football he is playing in the main competitions - the premiership and Europa , the results of course, the tactics before and during matches and the progress of the team,
If it looks like there is progress with the above and there is HOPE that we moving towards a title challenge , then he should stay. If the team looks as if it is drifting then he should go.
He really has no more excuses. He has had time and money.
If it looks like there is progress with the above and there is HOPE that we moving towards a title challenge , then he should stay. If the team looks as if it is drifting then he should go.
He really has no more excuses. He has had time and money.
Rodgers is failing at the coaching and managerial sides of his job, he got lucky with Suarez during his final season with us and believed it was himself rather than the magic of Suarez that took us to almost winning the title.
He now has reduced authority at the club and will never be a top manager in his own right, our owners have a strange way of going about their business, they splash the cash on players that are then farmed out on loan and LFC pay part of or all of their wages, but when it came to getting in a proven and successful big name manager to replace Kenny they took the cheap option of hiring a novice with no track record of success.
The longer he's with LFC the longer we'll stagnate and the more money spent on mainly mediocre players and youth's.
He should have gone when his backroom staff got the bullet but instead of thinking himsslf lucky to still be in the job and reassessing his failures at his job and changing his attitude he's still a brash, Blarney talking loud mouth full of himself.
He now has reduced authority at the club and will never be a top manager in his own right, our owners have a strange way of going about their business, they splash the cash on players that are then farmed out on loan and LFC pay part of or all of their wages, but when it came to getting in a proven and successful big name manager to replace Kenny they took the cheap option of hiring a novice with no track record of success.
The longer he's with LFC the longer we'll stagnate and the more money spent on mainly mediocre players and youth's.
He should have gone when his backroom staff got the bullet but instead of thinking himsslf lucky to still be in the job and reassessing his failures at his job and changing his attitude he's still a brash, Blarney talking loud mouth full of himself.
Honestly think he could be done by Christmas... hopefully by then we're top 8 and still in Europe.
The fact that Rodgers didn't get the sack at the end of last season speaks volumes.
they others were convenient. he contract length compared to their suggests to me they were never really going to last even when we finished 2nd and he was given a contract.
I think people neglect that. it could easily be the case he had said to FSG they were toast 2 years ago. however you cut it all need to dig in for ANOTHER 5 year wait to get lose to top.
I'm a bit slow today- would anyone care to explain to me what these "volumes" our owners are speaking actually are? And how we know?
I never like seeing a manager sacked for two reasons 1] I'd rather they were moving on to better things than being got rid of for incompetency and 2] every time a manager is sacked we have to start again from scratch.
Without going over again why I think Rafa and Kenny's sackings were both the wrong decision [and I know others felt they were both right] and why I don't think we should have appointed BR in the first place - I just don't know how much time would be considered long enough for him to be doing well enough to warrant staying put. Are we looking at an Everton/Moyes situation were we get used to mediocrity and the manager has a job for life should he want it or do we join the clubs on the manager merry-go-round where impatience rules the day? The clubs ambition must surely win out over the managers ambition when the managers ambition is seemingly working to a longer timescale.
Without going over again why I think Rafa and Kenny's sackings were both the wrong decision [and I know others felt they were both right] and why I don't think we should have appointed BR in the first place - I just don't know how much time would be considered long enough for him to be doing well enough to warrant staying put. Are we looking at an Everton/Moyes situation were we get used to mediocrity and the manager has a job for life should he want it or do we join the clubs on the manager merry-go-round where impatience rules the day? The clubs ambition must surely win out over the managers ambition when the managers ambition is seemingly working to a longer timescale.
We know by our continued mediocrity despite the mega money spent during his management of our club saint.
Hope that brings you up to speed.
I had mixed feelings about both Rafa and Kenny going.
Rafa had been a fantastic manager for us but he had been under performing for 18 months. I was in the "I don't know" camp.
My opinion was if we get rid of him better have someone fantastic lined up.
... We didn't... We got Roy. We needed to rebuild or very least steady the ship. Instead we got a man who drove the ship straight into an iceberg.
Roy killed us, took away our aura and reputation as a big club. We've struggled to get the right players or be respected by other clubs ever since. Clearly Roy was not the man to fill Rafa's big shoes.
Dalglish. I felt two cup finals earned him a little longer. Should have given him one more summer to prove himself.
Rafa had been a fantastic manager for us but he had been under performing for 18 months. I was in the "I don't know" camp.
My opinion was if we get rid of him better have someone fantastic lined up.
... We didn't... We got Roy. We needed to rebuild or very least steady the ship. Instead we got a man who drove the ship straight into an iceberg.
Roy killed us, took away our aura and reputation as a big club. We've struggled to get the right players or be respected by other clubs ever since. Clearly Roy was not the man to fill Rafa's big shoes.
Dalglish. I felt two cup finals earned him a little longer. Should have given him one more summer to prove himself.
Pretty much how I feel except, despite his stubbornness, Rafa could have been given a bit longer - he has a winners mentality [as does Kenny] and that's the missing ingredient with both Roy and BR.
Not really. I now know how we know it, but I still don't know what we know, if you know what I mean.We know by our continued mediocrity despite the mega money spent during his management of our club saint.
Hope that brings you up to speed.