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BlackAndAmberGambler

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Everyone on here is entitled to their own opinion as to why this season has not been the best of experiences. We can all blame Mr Allam, Steve Bruce, the players, injuries etc but what about ourselves?

We've never made the KC a cauldron, never made the KC an intimidating atmosphere for opponents, never really got behind the lads and been the 12th man. Away days are better agreed.

We've tried flags and banners, admittedly the atmosphere has improved after moving the East stand singers into the North but it's never really made the ground rock has it?

With 4 home games remaining we need to get behind the team, make some noise, show some passion and help the lads get the results we need. It's not going to be a piece of cake but at least we will know we did our bit.

I'm not giving up yet and I'll be there next season whatever happens so stop the talk of relegation and concentrate your efforts on being that 12th man.
 
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Injuries.

That's what I blame.

Dr Allam has pumped yet more money in.

Bruce identified and was able to get some great players in, some have still to prove themselves but at the time, this forum and others were all "socks blown off" about them.

We lost one potentially key player for the entire season, and we lost the main bulk of our key players for a sustained period which has cost us dearly.

No sense crying about it, we're a lower half team who is always going to struggle until we have a full squad of PL players, not the mix we currently have of Championship and PL.

Clubs like us aren't meant to have strength in depth, and we don't. Rather than accepting this, the club is at least trying to do something about it, although with the amount of whinging about every ****ing thing they do, I honestly don't know why they bother.

Not like you can say it's just the Allams, whoever owned the club will come in for this sort of ****, they always do and they always will. Its the Hull way.
 
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Happy Tiger said:
Injuries.

That's what I blame.

Dr Allam has pumped yet more money in.

Bruce identified and was able to get some great players in, some have still to prove themselves but at the time, this forum and others were all "socks blown off" about them.

We lost one potentially key player for the entire season, and we lost the main bulk of our key players for a sustained period which has cost us dearly.

No sense crying about it, we're a lower half team who is always going to struggle until we have a full squad of PL players, not the mix we currently have of Championship and PL.

Clubs like us aren't meant to have strength in depth, and we don't. Rather than accepting this, the club is at least trying to do something about it, although with the amount of whinging about every ****ing thing they do, I honestly don't know why they bother.

Not like you can say it's just the Allams, whoever owned the club will come in for this sort of ****, they always do and they always will. Its the Hull way.
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Funny how everyone was fine with Wilkinson's ownership and even Bartlett's until the last few months.

Usual random words from you, I'm sure you can fully defend your argument and won't just scuttle off having got the attention you craved.
 
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Blame lies with the players, the likes of Hudds and Davies have been abject this season, I don't blame the new signings as much as it takes time to adjust but arguably Ramirez on loan has more experience of this country and has massively underperformed. The goalie too has slipped, maybe not as much but enough. Bruce slipped a bit yesterday with the reintroduction of Sagbo, as others have said this was a bit odd.
 
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Funny how everyone was fine with Wilkinson's ownership and even Bartlett's until the last few months.

Usual random words from you, I'm sure you can fully defend your argument and won't just scuttle off having got the attention you craved.
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Funny how as usual you have nothing to say other than a dig at me, and did he....yes, theres OLM *like* of your post.

Bartlett worried me quite a lot, for a fair amount of time too, it was obvious we were being built on a foundation of sand.

Great, so Wilkinson, who was the money behind Pearson, who was the chairman, and who remained in the shadows for the duration? That Wilkinson?

Care to name any actual other chairmen that didn't have minorities whinging like bitches about what they did?

Feel free to bleat like you normally do, not answer, get in a huff and claim its me scuttling around.

Premier League Tiger.

Lol.

Lemme guess, ironic and not you just being a PLW?
 
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BlackAndAmberGambler said:
Everyone on here is entitled to their own opinion as to why this season has not been the best of experiences. We can all blame Mr Allam, Steve Bruce, the players, injuries etc but what about ourselves?

We've never made the KC a cauldron, never made the KC an intimidating atmosphere for opponents, never really got behind the lads and been the 12th man. Away days are better agreed.

We've tried flags and banners, admittedly the atmosphere has improved after moving the East stand singers into the North but it's never really made the ground rock has it?

With 4 home games remaining we need to get behind the team, make some noise, show some passion and help the lads get the results we need. It's not going to be a piece of cake but at least we will know we did our bit.

I'm not giving up yet and I'll be there next season whatever happens so stop the talk of relegation and concentrate your efforts on being that 12th man.
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Make some noise then instead of talking about it.
 
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Happy Tiger said:
Injuries.

That's what I blame.

Dr Allam has pumped yet more money in.
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I think that's right. I also think the club's priorities in the pitch haven't helped either. We kissed off cup competitions that could have given us momentum. And we've been overly defensive in away games, leeching away fragile confidence.

Yesterday was a case in point, we started brightly, pushed the home side back and ... didn't score. We didn't throw that extra resource forward sufficiently to actually threaten their goal.

Bad luck mostly yes. But bad management too at times.
 
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I do think the crowd at home is generally poor, and I don't think that helps the team

However I think people often forget that BP wasn't always a 90 odd minute chant along. The difference for me is that there has been a gradual sanitising of football crowds in general due to ridiculous prices and the modern football "business" across the board. This has meant that the people who would get loud, shout and swear, and sing when the moment needed it, or the passion of the game overtook you, have been gradually removed from the stadium. And not just at KC

What has made it worse this season at KC is the people who have left, or become disillusioned enough not to really care, who are those shouty types. I don't think the Dr AA effect can be underestimated. I feel like the club has less to do with me than ever before, at least I think it's my club....it's impossible to say looking at most of their official spouting. Regardless of whether the FA allow the name change or not you wander through town to see huge banners telling you who is visiting to play some nameless football team, not to mention all the other stuff.

Too many tourists, and fans of football. They generally won't care enough to really get the place rocking.

I say " fans of football" because if I'm honest I'm not even really a massive fan of football, when neutral teams are playing, any more than I am of many other sports. The difference has been that I am a massive fan of Hull City, that's what I am passionate about. Sadly I don't think the club, or any Premier League clubs, appreciate that. our club seem to actively dislike it

I can die when I want, leave if I don't like it, I am irrelevant, I can call my club whatever I like but can't expect too see any actual mention of it anywhere anymore and I will have to keep paying more every year ( well over inflation or pay rise levels on the area) and I will be evicted from my seat ( and given only a few days to arrange things so I can sit with people I have been going to City with for 37 years) .....oh and I am apparently a hooligan.

I still sing and shout and swear and give a ****.......no I don't know why either

But I still expect that the atmosphere, and the effect that has on the team, is my fault
 
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I do think the crowd at home is generally poor, and I don't think that helps the team

However I think people often forget that BP wasn't always a 90 odd minute chant along. The difference for me is that there has been a gradual sanitising of football crowds in general due to ridiculous prices and the modern football "business" across the board. This has meant that the people who would get loud, shout and swear, and sing when the moment needed it, or the passion of the game overtook you, have been gradually removed from the stadium. And not just at KC

What has made it worse this season at KC is the people who have left, or become disillusioned enough not to really care, who are those shouty types. I don't think the Dr AA effect can be underestimated. I feel like the club has less to do with me than ever before, at least I think it's my club....it's impossible to say looking at most of their official spouting. Regardless of whether the FA allow the name change or not you wander through town to see huge banners telling you who is visiting to play some nameless football team, not to mention all the other stuff.

Too many tourists, and fans of football. They generally won't care enough to really get the place rocking.

I say " fans of football" because if I'm honest I'm not even really a massive fan of football, when neutral teams are playing, any more than I am of many other sports. The difference has been that I am a massive fan of Hull City, that's what I am passionate about. Sadly I don't think the club, or any Premier League clubs, appreciate that. our club seem to actively dislike it

I can die when I want, leave if I don't like it, I am irrelevant, I can call my club whatever I like but can't expect too see any actual mention of it anywhere anymore and I will have to keep paying more every year ( well over inflation or pay rise levels on the area) and I will be evicted from my seat ( and given only a few days to arrange things so I can sit with people I have been going to City with for 37 years) .....oh and I am apparently a hooligan.

I still sing and shout and swear and give a ****.......no I don't know why either

But I still expect that the atmosphere, and the effect that has on the team, is my fault
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Thanks for putting that far more objectively than I could have done at this stage in my love affair with Hull City. I would have simply said blame the premier league pricing out 'real' fans, over zealous stewarding and the present owners, not necessarily in that order.
 
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Happy Tiger said:
Injuries.

That's what I blame.

Dr Allam has pumped yet more money in.

Bruce identified and was able to get some great players in, some have still to prove themselves but at the time, this forum and others were all "socks blown off" about them.

We lost one potentially key player for the entire season, and we lost the main bulk of our key players for a sustained period which has cost us dearly.

No sense crying about it, we're a lower half team who is always going to struggle until we have a full squad of PL players, not the mix we currently have of Championship and PL.

Clubs like us aren't meant to have strength in depth, and we don't. Rather than accepting this, the club is at least trying to do something about it, although with the amount of whinging about every ****ing thing they do, I honestly don't know why they bother.

Not like you can say it's just the Allams, whoever owned the club will come in for this sort of ****, they always do and they always will. Its the Hull way.
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Do you know for a fact that he's put more money in? Or is that a guess?

I think there are a number of similarities between Bartlett and Assem Allam.

The major difference is that Bartlett couldn't afford it and Assem Allam can.
 
dennisboothstash said:
I do think the crowd at home is generally poor, and I don't think that helps the team

However I think people often forget that BP wasn't always a 90 odd minute chant along. The difference for me is that there has been a gradual sanitising of football crowds in general due to ridiculous prices and the modern football "business" across the board. This has meant that the people who would get loud, shout and swear, and sing when the moment needed it, or the passion of the game overtook you, have been gradually removed from the stadium. And not just at KC

What has made it worse this season at KC is the people who have left, or become disillusioned enough not to really care, who are those shouty types. I don't think the Dr AA effect can be underestimated. I feel like the club has less to do with me than ever before, at least I think it's my club....it's impossible to say looking at most of their official spouting. Regardless of whether the FA allow the name change or not you wander through town to see huge banners telling you who is visiting to play some nameless football team, not to mention all the other stuff.

Too many tourists, and fans of football. They generally won't care enough to really get the place rocking.

I say " fans of football" because if I'm honest I'm not even really a massive fan of football, when neutral teams are playing, any more than I am of many other sports. The difference has been that I am a massive fan of Hull City, that's what I am passionate about. Sadly I don't think the club, or any Premier League clubs, appreciate that. our club seem to actively dislike it

I can die when I want, leave if I don't like it, I am irrelevant, I can call my club whatever I like but can't expect too see any actual mention of it anywhere anymore and I will have to keep paying more every year ( well over inflation or pay rise levels on the area) and I will be evicted from my seat ( and given only a few days to arrange things so I can sit with people I have been going to City with for 37 years) .....oh and I am apparently a hooligan.

I still sing and shout and swear and give a ****.......no I don't know why either

But I still expect that the atmosphere, and the effect that has on the team, is my fault
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This ^^^^^

Though I'm not convinced the move to north stand has helped,

it split sections of people who had been round each other & sang together for years - reasons ? 'out of sight out of Allemind'

many people have given up (due to the name change saga) or were priced out of the game

injuries have caused inconsistent formations & results have reinforced the inconsistencies

players have underperformed & the two we sold (Boyd & Long) both had the work ethic that far to often is lacking now
(apart from the odd show case against 'bigger' clubs when we loose anyway)

The Sky premier league sanitation continues - a dystopian product of 1/2 & 1/2 scarves with 1/2 & 1/2 'customers' ...
 
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Happy Tiger said:
Funny how as usual you have nothing to say other than a dig at me, and did he....yes, theres OLM *like* of your post.

Bartlett worried me quite a lot, for a fair amount of time too, it was obvious we were being built on a foundation of sand.

Great, so Wilkinson, who was the money behind Pearson, who was the chairman, and who remained in the shadows for the duration? That Wilkinson?

Care to name any actual other chairmen that didn't have minorities whinging like bitches about what they did?

Feel free to bleat like you normally do, not answer, get in a huff and claim its me scuttling around.

Premier League Tiger.

Lol.

Lemme guess, ironic and not you just being a PLW?
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What are you on about now? Can you justify your claim that City fans just hate every owner regardless of what they do?

Now you've extended it to chairmen I'll take the open goal offered and point out the previous two again. Pearson was universally popular, and the vast majority were happy with Bartlett until the truth became known.

What's your point again?
 
QPR's support has been terrific for them today, we need to do the same. Loud and boisterous and intimidating to the opposition. Roaring whenever we get the ball forward or have a corner.
 
The blame lies 100% with Allam - he has said categorically that it's his business and no-one tells him how to run his business - he believes the fans are irrelevant - so he runs the business on the basis of the tv money and his view about sponsorship - he says the fans can die when they want, he removes all reference to the teams name despite what the fans think and he tries to limit what he gives to the fans out of the ASI fund (Allams Stolen It fund) - therefore he must believe that the fans contribution on match days is irrelevant - perhaps the team appreciate vocal encouragement but Allam says the fans are irrelevant, so the atmosphere must be irrelevant - in any event Allam has pissed most of the fans off so its no surprise that the atmosphere is muted - anyway, its his business, he thinks his customers are irrelevant and its ok to treat them like **** --- so if he's successful in his business then the only person who he will credit will be himself - if he fails then its entirely down to him but knowing the type of man he is he will blame everybody else except himself - his ego will never allow the word failure or total **** up on his CV
 
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At this level as with other sports the difference between success and failure win and lose is minute. The QPR game v Chelsea illustrates, did not see the game but sounds like QPR could have won just as easily as Chelsea. In many cases it comes down to serendipity being the difference between success and failure. I am not SB so I can say it, in many games City have just have had bad luck with the breaks not going there way, with late goals being particularly damaging. If a few more events had gone their way we would not be looking at the situation we are in now.
 
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At this level as with other sports the difference between success and failure win and lose is minute. The QPR game v Chelsea illustrates, did not see the game but sounds like QPR could have won just as easily as Chelsea. In many cases it comes down to serendipity being the difference between success and failure. I am not SB so I can say it, in many games City have just have had bad luck with the breaks not going there way, with late goals being particularly damaging. If a few more events had gone their way we would not be looking at the situation we are in now.
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No. If it happened once or twice, sure, yes, bad luck. To have happened all season, from the Stoke game to the Southampton game just passed, we have not had one game where we have started and finished strongly. Look at Cardiff last season away where we won 4-0. We started strong and dominated the game. I can't think of a single game this season where we dominated the entire game. Maybe Villa at home but not much else. Bruce's subs have been bemusing; when we've been winning he's taken off our best attacking outlets and opened us up to pressure and teams have equalised or beaten us, and when we've been losing he's thrown on 4 strikers and hoped they'd score. It's laughably bad. His management of injuries has also always been horrendous. We can say injuries are down to luck sometimes, but the consistency with which players coming back from injury re-injure themselves is pathetic.
 
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