You think there aren’t heterosexual thugs, of course there are, does that make all heterosexuals thugs, of course it doesn’t.
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Heterosexual men rape women, that’s against, A SEX , does that make all heterosexual men rapists? Of course not.
Heterosexual men rape women. yeah what do people ko these eep saying about single sex spaces???
You said thugs a word connected to violence. but the point is you think hetrosexual men go around with threats to kill people on their shirts or it have it your way threats of rape??? those trans people are ??? 100% its on the shirts. how do those people not threaten others if they are in single sex spaces? they are quite literally saying they want to kill women??
Society has the issue. Thats who creates safeguards. Could you highlight how allowing these individuals into spaces that are safeguarded by sex does not alter risk?
Rapists don’t go around with tee shirts, but they actually rape, I know which I’d prefer. Some Heterosexual men rape women. That doesn’t make all heterosexual men rapists does it?
No so what do we do about this??
yes so what do we do about this??
and we dont say all men can go in womens spaces do we??
so these trans?? lot saying they want to kill women quite openly you think they will not threaten others in any way if they are in womens single sex spaces?
I’m saying as we don’t treat all heterosexual men as rapists, although some plainly are, so equally we should not treat all trans people as a threat to women, based on the threats of a few individuals.
Clifton has already pointed out how trans people are a very small percentage of the population, the number of trans that wear these tea shirts are a very small percentage, of a very small percentage, and the number that would carry out the threat are an even smaller percentage, should we really treat all of them based on such a small number of people. Of course not.
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In regards to a safeguarding we treat all men as a risk, because our sex represents an inherent risk to females.
Why are you not allowed in a female single sex space? Risk.
So why then aren’t women allowed in a male single sex space, is that risk also to men ?
it’s not just about risk, it’s cultural, it’s modesty, it’s many things, risk is an element, but equally thee are other considerations too, what about the risk to people transitioning from men to women from using male toilets?, or are their risks not worth consideration?
Could you answer the question please?
Yes. The words privacy and dignity have been used in the thread. These words including safety are part of sex based law.
Yes. There are threats to dignity, privacy and safety.
Risks are considered. Women however represent a far lower safety risk than men - Women not commit similar levels of sexual crime. The female to male offending pattern is basent. Women commit less violent crime, and massively less sexual crime.
Violence and sexual crime are male offending patterns.
What risk do trans women represent to females? Could these trans women be displaying a male pattern?
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early 21st century: acronym from trans-exclusionary radical feminist : originally used with reference to radical feminists whose advocacy of women’s rights excluded the rights of transgender women, and initially intended as a neutral term.
TERF
/təːf/
noun
derogatory
noun: TERF; plural noun: TERFs
- a person whose views on gender identity are considered hostile to transgender people, or who opposes social and political policies designed to be inclusive of transgender people.
"they accused the protester of being a TERF and transphobic"
For those of us who had never heard that word before.
Its also science denying nonsense. Labours Rosie Duffield is called a Terf. She cannot be described, and is not a radical feminist. Rosie Duffield has people threatening to kill her because she believes like millions do men do not have a cervix.
Those who use this Terf language are unhinged, and dangerous.
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Why won’t you answer the question of what is to be done, you keep quoting reasons why a very small number of men transitioning from men to women are a threat to women in general , but you won’t give any answers as to how we, as a society deal with the legitimate threat these people feel from using male only spaces, even though you keep quoting how violent men inherently are.
gay men used to be picked on and abused, often by men, because they felt threatened by them, now most men, and society in general, are much more understanding of them, mainly because most of us know gay people, and realise most of them are not predatory, and aren’t interested in straight people. now it’s trans that have taken their place, men, often older, usually set in their ways, are reluctant to see things from others points of view, and who feel their own masculinity is somehow threatened.
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With respect you posted multiple questions here. They were answered.
Why are you not allowed in a female single sex space?
With respect where is your answer to how we deal with trans people who feel threatened by being forced to use men’s toilets, especially when you’ve already quoted and given examples of how inherently violent men are.
because I’m a man, is my answer. The pertinent question is how do we accommodate trans people who feel threatened by being forced to use an area, you yourself admit is used by people (men) that are inherently violent, and who quite likely have a dislike of them?
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In the thread you have indicated you do not think that trans women accessing female only spaces increases risk, but trans men using men only spaces does.
You appear to be altering your view point. So, you accept here that men, your sex elevate risks to females? You therefore accept the necessity of single sex spaces?
In a recent census trans women and trans men equal 0.2% of the population. The figure there is for those identifying as trans, not those who legally have gender recognition certification. The legal figure is far lower than 0.2 %. We do not abandon how society uses single sex spaces for less than 0.2% of the population.
Society can provide trans spaces were appropriate. Society can provide risk assessed areas, objectively justified, we create systems where trans people have means to discreetly ask for use of facilities and services have guidelines in place to accomodate this. Society creates space for people with disabilities, and differing faiths (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) without altering single sex operations, the same can be done for a minority of less than 0.2% of the population.
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I would suggest allowing such a small number (your stats not mine), so you obviously accept it is a very small number, of trans people to access women only areas doesn’t increase the risk, however making them use male only spaces, when you yourself have evidenced how violent men are, is a risk to these vulnerable people.
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