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expat_mag said:
I totally agree that Ashley and Llambias are to blame. But how can you say that the twitter posts had nothing to do with it?

We have a clear line of cause and effect - the club (therefore A & L) offered him a deal, he wanted to negotiate, they wouldn't (fine in my opinion), he mouthed off (continuously, starting from before the contract offer) on twitter, the contract was withdrawn.

How would your boss react if he offered you an extension of your contract and then you told EVERYONE, very loudly, that he didn't know what he was doing? Would you expect him to offer you a longer contract? More money? Or would he tell you to piss off?

Personally, if Ashley had caved I would have called him a soft-as-clarts mug. And he would have had no power at all to negotiate with the players. Now, he is getting called a ****er for sticking to his guns and letting Barton leave. But i'm saying well played Ashley - you've shown Barton (and the other players) who runs the club - and it isn't them.
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If you actually see the Twitter quotes he has never really come out and plainly criticised the club fully. They were a bit limp TBH. Enriques twits were more to the point and he was offered 'the deal of his life' apparently by Ash and DL. Its one rule for one and one rule for another. JE fits into their European model, JB didnt.

Yea as Warm Pouch also says, the contract 'offer' was off the table ages ago. Twitter had nothing to do with it. Its been used as an excuse.

They have managed to get rid of Hughton, Nolan and Barton with no real substance except for a few lame excuses. They tarnished Carroll's name as he was being pushed onto a chopper to Liverpool for the sake of preventing a fans backlash.

They are pathetic.
 
Warm Pouch said:
That's modern football unfortunately. As Pardew alluded to, gone are the days where players just go into an office, get a ragging and then get on with things. I'd prefer we could avoid all the press stuff and I certainly prefer Jose's approach. (not that it did him much good with folk on here, they still wanted him booed and claim his move was money orientated) Hell I'd burn twitter down tomorrow if that was possible!

The club has created the scenario though. They withdrew from negotiations, which sparked his unprofessional behaviour, which then resulted in a bite back from Ashley (free transfer), and now we have him taking up the offer of security elsewhere. I'm not keen on the SSN stuff, twitter and generally being so open about things. But I can look at it objectively and realise this is part of Joey Bartons character. He's outspoken and sometimes he pushes the boundary of acceptable. And in the current situation his ego is being massaged by all this media interest in him, and effectively all he is doing is what the club want him to. Start looking for a new club.
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And that, my friends, is the whole point. Barton acted unprofessionally, and he tried to play hardball. Ashley gets a lot of stick, but if I was him and Barton had acted that way towards me (esp. after how the club has stood by him) I would let him leave too.

Now he is getting caught out because of it. He was completely out-maneuvered by Ashley. I'm sure Ashley would let him stay if he asked... Or maybe groveled?
 
NufcBano said:
If you actually see the Twitter quotes he has never really come out and plainly criticised the club fully. They were a bit limp TBH. Enriques twits were more to the point and he was offered 'the deal of his life' apparently by Ash and DL. Its one rule for one and one rule for another. JE fits into their European model, JB didnt.

Yea as Warm Pouch also says, the contract 'offer' was off the table ages ago. Twitter had nothing to do with it. Its been used as an excuse.

They have managed to get rid of Hughton, Nolan and Barton with no real substance except for a few lame excuses. They tarnished Carroll's name as he was being pushed onto a chopper to Liverpool for the sake of preventing a fans backlash.

They are pathetic.
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This.
 
expat_mag said:
And that, my friends, is the whole point. Barton acted unprofessionally, and he tried to play hardball. Ashley gets a lot of stick, but if I was him and Barton had acted that way towards me (esp. after how the club has stood by him) I would let him leave too.

Now he is getting caught out because of it. He was completely out-maneuvered by Ashley. I'm sure Ashley would let him stay if he asked... Or maybe groveled?
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If you actually believe that than you really dont know the situation or what the hell is going on. I hope that was sarcasm.
 
CouilleGaucheDeCabaye said:
We may be run by an utter ****, but in the words of Morrissey "There is a light and it never goes out" and in this case, it is us fans. If we alone aren't enough to make him want to stay, then he can go. This year left with us could be used building bridges back with Ashley slowly and might get him a contract offered again.
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I would have thought these lyrics were more applicable to you: <laugh>

Good times for a change
See, the luck I've had
Can make a good man
Turn bad

So please please please
Let me, let me, let me
Let me get what I want
This time

Haven't had a dream in a long time
See, the life I've had
Can make a good man bad

So for once in my life
Let me get what I want
Lord knows, it would be the first time
Lord knows, it would be the first time
 
CouilleGaucheDeCabaye said:
We may be run by an utter ****, but in the words of Morrissey "There is a light and it never goes out" and in this case, it is us fans. If we alone aren't enough to make him want to stay, then he can go. This year left with us could be used building bridges back with Ashley slowly and might get him a contract offered again.
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What if he breaks his leg without a contract being agreed though?
 
Viking Erik said:
I would have thought these lyrics were more applicable to you: <laugh>

Good times for a change
See, the luck I've had
Can make a good man
Turn bad

So please please please
Let me, let me, let me
Let me get what I want
This time

Haven't had a dream in a long time
See, the life I've had
Can make a good man bad

So for once in my life
Let me get what I want
Lord knows, it would be the first time
Lord knows, it would be the first time
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I would say this for Barton:

The boy with the thorn in his side
Behind the hatred there lies
A murderous desire for love
How can they look into my eyes
And still they don't believe me ?
How can they hear me say those words
Still they don't believe me ?
And if they don't believe me now
Will they ever believe me ?
And if they don't believe me now
Will they ever, they ever, believe me ?
Oh ...

The boy with the thorn in his side
Behind the hatred there lies
A plundering desire for love
How can they see the Love in our eyes
And still they don't believe us ?
And after all this time
They don't want to believe us
And if they don't believe us now
Will they ever believe us ?
And when you want to Live
How do you start ?
Where do you go ?
Who do you need to know ?
 
NufcBano said:
If you actually see the Twitter quotes he has never really come out and plainly criticised the club fully. They were a bit limp TBH. Enriques twits were more to the point and he was offered 'the deal of his life' apparently by Ash and DL. Its one rule for one and one rule for another. JE fits into their European model, JB didnt.

Yea as Warm Pouch also says, the contract 'offer' was off the table ages ago. Twitter had nothing to do with it. Its been used as an excuse.
They have managed to get rid of Hughton, Nolan and Barton with no real substance except for a few lame excuses. They tarnished Carroll's name as he was being pushed onto a chopper to Liverpool for the sake of preventing a fans backlash.

They are pathetic.
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Bollocks. As soon as he started making idle threats along the lines of #mejonasjosenext after Nolan went his behaviour was completely unprofessional and embarassing to the club who'd just brought in a load of new players. I can't quote everything he's said, but what I've read so far breaches any kind of conduct I'd expect from an employee.
 
NufcBano said:
I would say this for Barton:

The boy with the thorn in his side
Behind the hatred there lies
A murderous desire for love
How can they look into my eyes
And still they don't believe me ?
How can they hear me say those words
Still they don't believe me ?
And if they don't believe me now
Will they ever believe me ?
And if they don't believe me now
Will they ever, they ever, believe me ?
Oh ...

The boy with the thorn in his side
Behind the hatred there lies
A plundering desire for love
How can they see the Love in our eyes
And still they don't believe us ?
And after all this time
They don't want to believe us
And if they don't believe us now
Will they ever believe us ?
And when you want to Live
How do you start ?
Where do you go ?
Who do you need to know ?
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Our very own sweet and tender hooligan
 
Viking Erik said:
I would have thought these lyrics were more applicable to you: <laugh>

Good times for a change
See, the luck I've had
Can make a good man
Turn bad

So please please please
Let me, let me, let me
Let me get what I want
This time

Haven't had a dream in a long time
See, the life I've had
Can make a good man bad

So for once in my life
Let me get what I want
Lord knows, it would be the first time
Lord knows, it would be the first time
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Do explain how they would apply to me...
 
Captain Colly said:
Bollocks. As soon as he started making idle threats along the lines of #mejonasjosenext after Nolan went his behaviour was completely unprofessional and embarassing to the club who'd just brought in a load of new players. I can't quote everything he's said, but what I've read so far breaches any kind of conduct I'd expect from an employee.
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So why wasn't Enrique given the same treatment?
 
Gluteus Maximus 1892 said:
He's not a poor man you know, he gets paid more in a week than most of us earn in a year.
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To be honest that has jack all to do with job security, its all relative. It is an occupation at the end of the day and some normal work rules apply (I wouldn't say all because sport is unique) You ask any player in his situation and they'd want the security of a longer contract. As I've said previously none of us know what kind of financial commitments these guys have made with the silly money they are paid. They could have loads invested and need to earn a certain amount to pay the bills. It could be in the form of investments, horses, buying houses etc. I know Michael Owen couldn't afford to not play football despite the outrageous amounts he has earned. The financial commitment with his stables means he has to continue. Robbie Fowler was the same. He invested loads in property and needed to keep earning a certain amount to meet the various bills. I know Joey has horses but wouldn't know if he has other interests. Most of them have top financial advisers inveting their money for them.
 
Warm Pouch said:
To be honest that has jack all to do with job security, its all relative. It is an occupation at the end of the day and some normal work rules apply (I wouldn't say all because sport is unique) You ask any player in his situation and they'd want the security of a longer contract. As I've said previously none of us know what kind of financial commitments these guys have made with the silly money they are paid. They could have loads invested and need to earn a certain amount to pay the bills. It could be in the form of investments, horses, buying houses etc. I know Michael Owen couldn't afford to not play football despite the outrageous amounts he has earned. The financial commitment with his stables means he has to continue. Robbie Fowler was the same. He invested loads in property and needed to keep earning a certain amount to meet the various bills. I know Joey has horses but wouldn't know if he has other interests. Most of them have top financial advisers inveting their money for them.
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If he hasn't been able to sort his future out with the money he's been paid so far, he must be a bigger dick than I thought.
 
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