This isn't just a friend of a friend thing or "I've heard this..." It's a person that I know met with Mr Allam on behalf of the OSC, sharing the topics discussed with the rest of us. I know this was discussed. Regardless of how much money the man has put into the club he actually said scouting is not necessary because all the information necessary is on the internet. hat's incredibly worrying.
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This isn't just a friend of a friend thing or "I've heard this..." It's a person that I know met with Mr Allam on behalf of the OSC, sharing the topics discussed with the rest of us. I know this was discussed. Regardless of how much money the man has put into the club he actually said scouting is not necessary because all the information necessary is on the internet. hat's incredibly worrying.
The laughable quality of the bubbles thing is a massive part of why the stands thing is so despised. The fact that a branch of the OSC supported it means they're viewed in a similar light by most fans. They represent themselves, not us, is most peoples view of the OSC.
I think any rehash of the fans liaison group needs to consider who sits on it to ensure they get a representative selection of fans and a good system in place for fans to put agenda items forward instead of just having the usual suspects sat round a table nodding.
PS, just to be clear, the fans liaison thing is my secondary question, my first one is to ask if the OWS can make it clear to Mr Allam that it's been pointed out that they don't represent most fans and he may not be getting the best advice on the mood and opinions of most Hull City supporters.
I think any rehash of the fans liaison group needs to consider who sits on it to ensure they get a representative selection of fans and a good system in place for fans to put agenda items forward instead of just having the usual suspects sat round a table nodding.
PS, just to be clear, the fans liaison thing is my secondary question, my first one is to ask if the OWS can make it clear to Mr Allam that it's been pointed out that they don't represent most fans and he may not be getting the best advice on the mood and opinions of most Hull City supporters.
If I remember rightly the FLC had members from different stands and areas and minority groups such as disabled supporters, these people spoke to the people around them and gathered the views that way. The people involved were and are perfectly good I can assure you of that. Just because someone doesn't despise a pre-match routine, even if he is in a minority, doesn't mean he can't be representative of other fans.
I think this is another example of where you're out of sync. A massive criticism by many fans was the lack of a system to get their views aired and serious doubts about the selection criteria for members to sit on the panel, which left some on it representing virtually nobody at all and others representing such a mixed bunch that they'd never get the points across.
I know some that were on it had reservations on why some people were there contributing nothing meeting after meeting.
It was better than nothing, but a long, long way from being perfect or representative of anything other than the usual suspects with feedback to fans being so ad hoc it quite often had to be patched together from several sources.
There are basic principles that apply to every business such as your revenue needs to be greater than your cost base, this isn't applied but needs to be. Hope this helps.
Thanks for that valuable insight into the secrets of the commercial world. Fascinating stuff.
Should the players wear hard hats to prevent head injuries, and hi viz jackets for night games?
The OSC don't inspire confidence in me i'm afraid, there are one or two members who seem to have an axe to grind no matter who is in charge. I'm not saying you're wrong and if they do ditch the scouting I think it's the wrong thing to do though I thought clubs were mad to ditch reserve teams but it doesn't seem to have had the detimental effect I expected.
Any time, I thought that might have been a little high level for you but i'm happy you grasped it.
I was thinking about joining the OSC but i started following the posts of the cott branch on facebook and every single post was just so negative. It really put me off joining, I would hate to think that anyone thought that i shared any of their views
to be honest just looking at the front page of their facebook page concerns me greatly that people would believe anything out of any meeting with the allams from them ... hardly going to be neutral and report it to you in the manner that makes it a neutral opinion ...
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Cottingham-Branch-Hull-City-Official-Supporters-Club/154430232686
I hope the allams are not taking this as what the majority of fans opinions are
You should hear it in the sports bar on match days, some of the negativity is incredible. The last 5 years have been the best in the clubs history yet to hear some of them you'd think we were bottom of the football league managed by a Terry Dolan Mark Hately dream team with David Jones as our star player.
PeterGriffin:2938115 said:
Im glad im not the only one, its the last thing we need at the moment, and who wants to hear all that negativity pre-match? Im happy that i've never been in there now.
I'd be a little less sacastic, if I were you my friend, particularly as you are wrong.
If football has to be regarded as any other business, perhaps you can explain how chelsea football club have been BILLIONS in the red over the last 10 years?
It's nearly impossible for the Assem to gauge what the majority of fans think about him. One way would be to scour this very board. But then what would he conclude ? Some like me,some don't. Pointless really. He'l see what the majority think of his various actions when he sees how many season passes are sold. That's the main thing.
That cover photo is embarrassing. Why anyone would want to associate themselves with that is beyond me.
As for fans being represented, is there any fair way of doing it? At all? Unless you regularly surveyed every season ticket holder, I'm not sure how you could get a fair representation.
Slight exageration there I think you'll find!!
All your post does is emphasise the point, football isn't currently treated the same way as the rest of the business world due to the money being thrown at it by rich billionaire owners. A these people throw money at one or two clubs others stretch themselves to keep up so we have a situation where most clubs are technically insolvent, if the funding from TV rights etc was withdrawn a number of clubs would go the way of Portsmouth or worse in exactly the same way we would have without the Allams. Football needs to get it's house in order and the fact that the Allams are doing that here can only be a good thing.
So please explain how exactly i'm wrong and if i'm another poster is sarcastic with me I will happily retort in the same manner but thanks for the advice.
your right , there is no fair way of doing it , as mentioned earlier the FLC was a joke (god they even let me on it because I created a website and forum one season) but it was potentially the best way forward but was just not executed properly at the time.