Are we attacking ourselves?

[Smug in Boots]

There are very very few people wanting money to be thrown around without a care, as i said previously there are the extreme views that throwing money around is the answer, the same as your view that anyone with a negative about merchandising would be appeased by throwing money at promotion is an extreme.

These mountains from molehills are in general valid concerns that if addressed would help the club be in an even stronger position come 2025

People never say 'without a care' but they want money spent without any idea about our finances.

They ignore the fact that 'clubs we should copy', like Fulham, owe insane amounts to their owners or banks.

Some were giving Everton as an example of how to challenge at the top not long back.

They turn a blind eye to clubs who tried, failed and were left in L1 with no ground, no hope and no prospects.

I've posted one of many such posts below, nothing personal to whoever posted it ... just an example.

How many successful English clubs are run sustainably??
To be competitive we need a rich generous owner, KLD isn’t in the same league financially as the successful premier league clubs and has no intention of splashing the cash.

 

[Nig]

You genuinely believe that Beale is/will be an upgrade on Mowbray?

Only time will tell.

 

[LD19SAFC]

Time will tell but the facts say he has gotten off to a better start than Mowbray and Neil did here, and is picking up more PPG than Mowbray this season, granted it's a small sample size.

20 league games to go, let’s see if Beale can squeeze us into a play-off place.

 

[Chunksafc]

People never say 'without a care' but they want money spent without any idea about our finances.

They ignore the fact that 'clubs we should copy', like Fulham, owe massive amounts to their owners or banks.

They turn a blind eye to clubs who tried, failed and were left in L1 with no ground, no hope and no prospects.

I've posted one of many such posts below, nothing personal to whoever posted it ... just an example.

How many successful English clubs are run sustainably??
To be competitive we need a rich generous owner, KLD isn’t in the same league financially as the successful premier league clubs and has no intention of splashing the cash.

Which was the point of my thread about aims, we cannot and should not complete with state owned clubs, everywhere you look it is littered with mountains of debt.

Even cubs that at a quick glance appear to have done it well have taken huge gambles - see Brentford with wages to turnover at 270% the year they got promoted.

We should however be able to pose questions about the commercial side of the business, the caring club side of the business that has fell by the way side and isnt really improving

 

[Smug in Boots]

Time will tell but the facts say he has gotten off to a better start than Mowbray and Neil did here, and is picking up more PPG than Mowbray this season, granted it's a small sample size.

I said weeks ago the Mag match was nothing but a nuisance ...

... without that our mentality regarding league matches would be much better imo.

 

[Brainy Dose]

*Trigger Warning. This post contains some unpopular opinions.*

I posted the other day about the fans of the non-league clubs I've scouted for getting hold of snippets of information, mixing in rumour and supposition, and coming to completely inaccurate conclusions. I am certain this is what's happening here.

I would urge people, when they're a wondering what happened with the BCB, or why Mick Beale was appointed manager, or about any of these other issues, not to jump to conclusions. Instead, its often a better idea to stop and consider all of the possible scenarios and then to realise that, because these things happened behind closed doors, none of us are ever going to have the full picture.

As has been noted, the fanzines whip things up for clicks and likes and to make sure that they stay relevant. Like any form of populist journalism, they're going to sensationalise everything. Don't believe them. I'm afraid I'm also firmly of the opinion that the so-called 'ITKs' that frequent this forum, and others like it, fuel the rumour mill by presenting as fact things that are only part-accurate or are the opinion of only one person. From my own experience, any actual information is given to you strictly in confidence.

It's a fact of life that the club aren't going to get everything right. But it's also true that they aren't going to get everything wrong. We're a million miles from where we were under Donald and Methven but the club is a work in progress, as it has to be due to where we've come from. We need to show patience and trust. Cos I tell you what, I'll be ****ing pissed off if some of these idiots drive KLD off.

Top post mate.

 

[Brainy Dose]

Striker situation still being brought up even though Beale has shown that if you actually play one of them from the start and create chances for them, they will score.

2 points and 2 places better off than this stage last season. Which is in line with the year on year progress.

PL clubs coming in for our players.

But aye lets get Speakman out. ****ing ridiculous the stuff I am reading today. A whole load of our fanbase need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

More common sense.

 

[Brainy Dose]

On Sunday I posted about the game on FB (yes I know). All I posted about was how their support was passionless and limp, but the result was fitting. The again at least they got to wave their free blood money scarves. One lad in particular who I have known since primary school actually responded. He didn’t deny the fan stuff, all he did was telling me to watch I don’t trip over my lip ( actually I felt worse after the Coventry game and by the Sunday I was over it) and then went into detail defending anything to do with sportswashing in an attempt to justify it. Of course he was on the sharp end of my endearing wit, and all he could do was like my response. They are probably the most hated club in the premier league, they don’t care. You see they won’t have to take their partners to Riyadh, so they aren’t bothered that they can’t hold hands. Their gay friends in the Gosforth quarter will not be going to the top of any tower in Jeddah and their shoplifters from Bykerbronx won’t exactly be visiting the one stop shop in Mecca anytime soon.

Your posts often make me smile. I can see why an ancient Chinese fella took your username.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Which was the point of my thread about aims, we cannot and should not complete with state owned clubs, everywhere you look it is littered with mountains of debt.

Even cubs that at a quick glance appear to have done it well have taken huge gambles - see Brentford with wages to turnover at 270% the year they got promoted.

We should however be able to pose questions about the commercial side of the business, the caring club side of the business that has fell by the way side and isnt really improving

I think it's improving and we're definitely not stagnating.

The 'backstage access' has improved, the matchday coverage is better, the Avec initiative, etc, seems to show that, at least, someone is thinking. I suspect a lot of harm was done to staff morale, suppliers, etc, under the last regime.

There's probably signed contracts there that'll outlive me

 

[Pure River Slut]

I've dithered around for days about whether I should post my opinion or not. Then I faffed around thinking whether to put it on the 'ambition' thread or another. I didn't want to derail them, hence this.

I've had a look around social media, etc and was finally pushed into posting by reading the 'Quinn's Bar' thread on RTG.

I totally understand all the frustration, anger, etc, regarding our progress, the coach situation, BCB, etc ...

... but surely there comes a point whereby we're just attacking ourselves and falling out.

We all really know, whether we like it or not, that KLD, KS, MB aren't going to be forced out by the relentless bile and hatred. So, imo, all it does is distract from the next game and the rest of the season. We know, from O'Nien's Twitter posts, that the players read what we post and it has to be demoralising imo.

I'm probably a bit too 'rose tinted' from some people but I grew up supporting the club when we'd defend it against any attacks and have our backs to the wall even when it all looked lost. It now looks like we're fighting against the club, and each other, to the point where other club's supporters are commenting on the infighting and laughing it up at our expense.

The club f*cked up, they've apologised and will hopefully speed up the improvements ...

... we're still in with a chance of the play-offs, we've all expressed our anger/disappointment//etc, so can't we now concentrate on the football, the Ipswich game and the transfer window.

Just a thought, shoot me down if I'm out of order.

People are deliberately making themselves miserable in a competition to be the most outraged, every comment dark and negative and it all adds defensive and pressure to the club and players and negative pressure never gets the best from people. It’s like people want to punish mistakes and every person wanting to make punish mistakes are making one. Better on here than ready to moan mind.

 

[Smug in Boots]

People are deliberately making themselves miserable in a competition to be the most outraged, every comment dark and negative and it all adds defensive and pressure to the club and players and negative pressure never gets the best from people. It’s like people want to punish mistakes and every person wanting to make punish mistakes are making one. Better on here than ready to moan mind.

Mrs Smug deliberately seeks out news articles that enrage her

People seem to jump on SAFC related nonsense for the same reason.

I suspect the scientists will soon name it as a 'syndrome' ... Smugulitus perhaps

 

[Nig]

I've dithered around for days about whether I should post my opinion or not. Then I faffed around thinking whether to put it on the 'ambition' thread or another. I didn't want to derail them, hence this.

I've had a look around social media, etc and was finally pushed into posting by reading the 'Quinn's Bar' thread on RTG.

I totally understand all the frustration, anger, etc, regarding our progress, the coach situation, BCB, etc ...

... but surely there comes a point whereby we're just attacking ourselves and falling out.

We all really know, whether we like it or not, that KLD, KS, MB aren't going to be forced out by the relentless bile and hatred. So, imo, all it does is distract from the next game and the rest of the season. We know, from O'Nien's Twitter posts, that the players read what we post and it has to be demoralising imo.

I'm probably a bit too 'rose tinted' from some people but I grew up supporting the club when we'd defend it against any attacks and have our backs to the wall even when it all looked lost. It now looks like we're fighting against the club, and each other, to the point where other club's supporters are commenting on the infighting and laughing it up at our expense.

The club f*cked up, they've apologised and will hopefully speed up the improvements ...

... we're still in with a chance of the play-offs, we've all expressed our anger/disappointment//etc, so can't we now concentrate on the football, the Ipswich game and the transfer window.

Just a thought, shoot me down if I'm out of order.

Just read a bit on that Quinn's bar thread.
Fooking minging on there FFS.

Moaning about the club trying to make some money god forbid

£5 when you can watch it at home or the pub

Well it is a bar and you get a pint with that fee

Unbelievable Jeff

 

[Smug in Boots]

Just read a bit on that Quinn's bar thread.
Fooking minging on there FFS.

Moaning about the club trying to make some money god forbid

£5 when you can watch it at home or the pub

Well it is a bar and you get a pint with that fee

Unbelievable Jeff

I wonder how much cash our billionaire owner will be raking in from this latest con job

 

[sheepman]

People are deliberately making themselves miserable in a competition to be the most outraged, every comment dark and negative and it all adds defensive and pressure to the club and players and negative pressure never gets the best from people. It’s like people want to punish mistakes and every person wanting to make punish mistakes are making one. Better on here than ready to moan mind.

What gets me is people excusing away their negative miserable views by claiming to be “realists”

 

[sheepman]

You genuinely believe that Beale is/will be an upgrade on Mowbray?

He could be good he could be ****e. Too early to tell I have worries about some of his tactics so far but change always disrupts initially Let’s see how we are fairing in a couple of months. TM had hit a brick wall we were stagnating and it was t just lack of a striker

 

[LD19SAFC]

He could be good he could be ****e. Too early to tell I have worries about some of his tactics so far but change always disrupts initially Let’s see how we are fairing in a couple of months. TM had hit a brick wall we were stagnating and it was t just lack of a striker

I agree about Mowbray. I was happy to see him go, I just expected more ambition when it came to his replacement. Beale was free and available, though…

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

You genuinely believe that Beale is/will be an upgrade on Mowbray?

Yes I think he will be. Nobody can say for sure that’s a risk what you take when you employ a new manager especially someone young but what would we have achieved under Mowbray? If Beale had lost the games TM had this season people would be calling for his head already

 

[sheepman]

I agree about Mowbray. I was happy to see him go, I just expected more ambition when it came to his replacement. Beale was free and available, though…

I know what you mean. Initially very underwhelming and a few of us had watched his Rangers team which picked up results but was not very entertaining
However just have to trust that he is the man they wanted for the right reasons. Unfortunately he is not really being given the time a "named" manager would by a lot of fans. Allardyce's team was absolutely ****e for the first 3 months only came good right at the end of the season. Jury is still out on Beale but we have to back him.

 

[Confucius]

Your posts often make me smile. I can see why an ancient Chinese fella took your username.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I know what you mean. Initially very underwhelming and a few of us had watched his Rangers team which picked up results but was not very entertaining
However just have to trust that he is the man they wanted for the right reasons. Unfortunately he is not really being given the time a "named" manager would by a lot of fans. Allardyce's team was absolutely ****e for the first 3 months only came good right at the end of the season. Jury is still out on Beale but we have to back him.

But as many on here said at the time, they'd never heard of most of the other names we were linked with. So Beale was probably one of the better known ones from his time at Rangers. What's really happening is that people are judging him on a short stint in which he didn't fail but was slightly less successful than he might have been, rather than on the 20 odd year coaching career he's had at some massive clubs, including one of the biggest in Brazil.