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PleaseNotPoll said:
Find out what?
Choudary's a hate-mongering ****.
That's not in dispute.
Stop giving it the whole internet hardman bullshit, as you're clearly full of crap.

Should someone with your views support Man USA, anyway?
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whats the point

you too much of a pussy to follow through with your so called convictions/beliefs

pussyhole
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
No. No ways to find out.
You still can't tell me why he'd be honest with me, when he hasn't done so in public, despite being given numerous opportunities.
As usual, you make a claim that you can't back up.
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and you argue a point that you are unwilling to prove for yourself

because your too much of a pussy
 
thefanwithnoname said:
the problem is though that we are created and are destroyed. Even the universe is accepted as eventually being destroyed

the water cycle is an interesting example, its so perfect, it could not just have happened
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The universe tranforms i.e the big bang, if it were destroyed we wouldnt be here... When a planet "dies" in a supernova it merely tranforms it is not completely destroyed.. It is fact that energy can't be destroyed... Thats all we and the universe are.

What I'm saying is forget about thinking about creators your totally looking in the wrong place! That is why the world is so confused and messed up, we keep getting told we have been created and are going to die, so the world is full of fear... that is why these arguments start..

Its funny watching you and PNP argue it exemplifies this fear I'm talking about.
 
The Situation said:
The universe tranforms i.e the big bang, if it were destroyed we wouldnt be here... When a planet "dies" in a supernova it merely tranforms it is not completely destroyed.. It is fact that energy can't be destroyed... Thats all we and the universe is.

What I'm saying is forget about thinking about creators your totally looking in the wrong place! That is why the world is so confused and messed up, we keep getting told we have been created and are going to die, so the world is full of fear... that is why these arguments start..

Its funny watching you and PNP argue it exemplifies this fear I'm talking about.
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There is more to it than that for me. A whole package if you like

energy needs a source too and it changes.

remember the big bang had to have an origin too

for me there is no fear. and as for PNP I used to enjoy my discussions with him
however it turns out he is a bit of an internet hardman, nothing more
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Although that story i bull, it still goes against the claim that he 'refuses to answer the question' no?
proving PNP is a liar as well as a pussy?
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I think the problem is you are a Muslim and will defend these people ie Choudary and ol Hook hands and maybe even the people that blew up tubes in London ..
Most non muslims would not agree with the EDL arseholes or Nick Griffins BNP.....
Saying you are a friend of Choudary, a self confessed hater of our state is very sad...
If i had family that were killed in Iraq and came to pay my respects ,faced with these bearded mongs i am surprised some 16 stone ex green beret hasn t killed these ****s..... They do no good for the image of moderate hard working muslims...
 
supernorwich23 said:
I think the problem is you are a Muslim and will defend these people ie Choudary and ol Hook hands and maybe even the people that blew up tubes in London ..
Most non muslims would not agree with the EDL arseholes or Nick Griffins BNP.....
Saying you are a friend of Choudary, a self confessed hater of our state is very sad...
If i had family that were killed in Iraq and came to pay my respects ,faced with these bearded mongs i am surprised some 16 stone ex green beret hasn t killed these ****s..... They do no good for the image of moderate hard working muslims...
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see now that is just assumptions. I never advocated or supported some of the things said and done.
and I did agree with the BNP regarding getting the **** out of Iraq
I am friends with lots of people regardless of their beliefs and points of view. and i think you confuse what the hatred actually is

some of the guys that were at the rally did have family killed in Iraq due to the ILLEGAL war that was fought. The rally was not against individual soldiers but the government.

I think the 'help for heroes' is in bad taste. not due to some of the poor fellas/lasses who have lost limbs, but there is/was nothing heroic about the wars in Iraq/afghanistan and to suggest that being against the wars means you hate individual soldiers is ridicilous IMO
 
thefanwithnoname said:
not really. The example is to show that that wealth will reach you as it is predetermined. How you accumulate it is where right and wrong kick in

If a child has 10 sweets then he had it coming to him. however if he chose to pinch 9 off the others that was his free will
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But if all the sweets were doled out equally then the child stole them, surely Allah had predetermined this? The child who accumulated the sweets had the 'free will' to do it, but those who were stolen from weren't because Allah had decided they would get none. Does this mean that free will is only given to those who are predetermined to accumulate wealth, whereas those who were predetermined to get nothing were given no free will? Does Allah discriminate?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I think the 'help for heroes' is in bad taste. not due to some of the poor fellas/lasses who have lost limbs, but there is/was nothing heroic about the wars in Iraq/afghanistan and to suggest that being against the wars means you hate individual soldiers is ridicilous IMO
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It's also in bad taste because if the government had actually valued their lives in the first place then there would be no need for the charity.
 
Boffo said:
But if all the sweets were doled out equally then the child stole them, surely Allah had predetermined this? The child who accumulated the sweets had the 'free will' to do it, but those who were stolen from weren't because Allah had decided they would get none. Does this mean that free will is only given to those who are predetermined to accumulate wealth, whereas those who were predetermined to get nothing were given no free will? Does Allah discriminate?
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this is the problem with hypothetical arguments, they just change with a viewpoint

a better example maybe ethiopia. Historically this land was abundantly rich in food etc. So much so that it is claimed that there was a never ending supply of foodstuff to the middle east

now it is poor and people are dying. Yet if you read the report in the times/independent you will see that it still provides food for export. Yet cannot feed its own population. The reason greed and occupation etc

there is food there, yet they choose to/ or somebody chooses to force them to sell it

Or read the HIV meds created by african countries which were synthetic and cost 20p to the £200 ones that big corporations make
They lost a court case and had to stop making them. who is causing the suffering?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
see now that is just assumptions. I never advocated or supported some of the things said and done.
and I did agree with the BNP regarding getting the **** out of Iraq
I am friends with lots of people regardless of their beliefs and points of view. and i think you confuse what the hatred actually is

some of the guys that were at the rally did have family killed in Iraq due to the ILLEGAL war that was fought. The rally was not against individual soldiers but the government.

I think the 'help for heroes' is in bad taste. not due to some of the poor fellas/lasses who have lost limbs, but there is/was nothing heroic about the wars in Iraq/afghanistan and to suggest that being against the wars means you hate individual soldiers is ridicilous IMO
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You say you are friends with Choudary but don t agree with his ideals.........I m sure Hitler was quite good company but i wouldn t want to be associated with him...
Also the funerals of dead soldiers are very personal to his family, trying to demonstrate against an illegal war by yelling at grieving servicemen and their families is obscene...... I have friends who are Muslim and they don t all bang on about it all day... However if a global Jihad was called against all non Muslims i would happily gas all the ones here.....<sorry>
 
Boffo said:
It's also in bad taste because if the government had actually valued their lives in the first place then there would be no need for the charity.
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agreed

See I dont give to charities these days, and peoplke see that as tight fisted or whatever
Truth is its because of my knowledge of how some operate. If I take for example the poppy wearing (as it is current) have you seen some of the poppy pins on ebay selling for £80. The BL dont get that money. They just get the basic price others are making a huge profit from them

Also things like the pink bracelets etc for cancer, the actual charities see very little of the money.

Charity is a multi million pound industry these days
better to give money direct to people IMO
 
supernorwich23 said:
You say you are friends with Choudary but don t agree with his ideals.........I m sure Hitler was quite good company but i wouldn t want to be associated with him...
Also the funerals of dead soldiers are very personal to his family, trying to demonstrate against an illegal war by yelling at grieving servicemen and their families is obscene...... I have friends who are Muslim and they don t all bang on about it all day... However if a global Jihad was called against all non Muslims i would happily gas all the ones here.....<sorry>
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I wasnt speaking of anjem specifically. And yes i class him as a friend and share some of his ideals etc.

as for the soldiers, i see where you are coming from but celebrating the return of servicemen who have killed innocents in an illegal war is more obscene imo

you misunderstand the notion of Jihad it seems. It would never be about indiscriminate killing
 
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