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why do you keep bringing him up, make allegations, yet dare not question directly?

is it cuz you is a pussy?

You brought him up, you dick.
You keep referring to him as The Sauce (your little nickname?), without saying what he's supposedly the source of.

says the guy who wont go to the source, so irrelevant discussing with

pussy

Can't handle having your bullshit ripped apart again, so you run away from any debate.
 
is that poverty based on greed or based on god?

According to your example earlier Allah chooses for certain people to get as rich as they do. Therefore any greed exhibited by man can only be through the will of Allah and nobody else. If one child is given ten sweets and the nine others are given none then the child who has all is not to blame for what he has accumulated, the person who doled out the sweets is.
 
You brought him up, you dick.
You keep referring to him as The Sauce (your little nickname?), without saying what he's supposedly the source of.



Can't handle having your bullshit ripped apart again, so you run away from any debate.

so you gonna ask him directly? or just make shoite up?

what is the point of debating with someone who is given the opportunity to go directly to the person he spends hours discussing, based on newspaper reports
yet when given the opportunity to ask directly ****s it?

pussy
 
not really for me anyway.

As I say for me the question was proving a creator exists, free from the traditional images of god. Once I freed myself from this I was able to look at the notion more clearly. The thing for me was that everything is too perfect for chance to have created it. None of the alternatives made sense. People accept science yet dont see/have knowledge of what science says and how ridiculous some of that can be.

Do away with the concept/notion of god and focus instead on a creator. whether that is the big bang or another entity. the point is there HAS to be a 'creator' even if it was aliens doing an experiment

Firstly if this is your view fair enough, but since this is a debating site:

If you looked into the big bang theory, you would see it is merely a cycle like everything else, the planets will get further away from each other until at some point they are infact sucked back into each other until everything becomes one again, then it will start to separate again (basic explanation)... No higher being is needed to do this, it is just the cycle of the universe just like water evaporation from the sea and rain.

The universe is as it is and we are the universe, so techincally there is no real creation.. life is constant, it doesnt end just transforms... we cannot be created or destroyed!

You may need to think about it more deeply!!!
 
so you gonna ask him directly? or just make shoite up?

what is the point of debating with someone who is given the opportunity to go directly to the person he spends hours discussing, based on newspaper reports
yet when given the opportunity to ask directly ****s it?

pussy

As I've pointed out to you repeatedly already, there's absolutely no guarantee that he'd tell me the truth, even if I were to accept that you know him.
He's repeatedly refused to speak about it in public, so why would he answer me and why would he be truthful?
You have absolutely nothing to substantiate your claims, so why should I believe them?
 
According to your example earlier Allah chooses for certain people to get as rich as they do. Therefore any greed exhibited by man can only be through the will of Allah and nobody else. If one child is given ten sweets and the nine others are given none then the child who has all is not to blame for what he has accumulated, the person who doled out the sweets is.

not really. The example is to show that that wealth will reach you as it is predetermined. How you accumulate it is where right and wrong kick in

If a child has 10 sweets then he had it coming to him. however if he chose to pinch 9 off the others that was his free will
 
As I've pointed out to you repeatedly already, there's absolutely no guarantee that he'd tell me the truth, even if I were to accept that you know him.
He's repeatedly refused to speak about it in public, so why would he answer me and why would he be truthful?
You have absolutely nothing to substantiate your claims, so why should I believe them?

All answered and guaranteed. There was one way to find out

you pussied out and although I always entertained you and spent time responding to you in the past. I realise its no point. as given the opportunity to end something once and for all you will pussy out

pussy
 
All answered and guaranteed. There was one way to find out

you pussied out and although I always entertained you and spent time responding to you in the past. I realise its no point. as given the opportunity to end something once and for all you will pussy out

pussy

Pure bullshit.
You saying, "I know him and he's agreed to it", is not a guarantee.
It's fantasy.
Prove it.
Get the details that you said he'd provide and post them on here.

You're full of crap and you're a coward.
It's clear to everyone.
 
Choudary is a fat middle aged man, i doubt you know him but given the " benefit" of doubt why would such a stupid meeting take place?...............PNP is under the impression that he is a benefit claiming hate merchant..... You say he doesn t claim any money from the state he would like to destroy......
What good would a meeting do, he would just lie and duck any questions anyway................ Its not impressive to claim to know such a ****, i would be equally unimpressed if you know Nick Griffin...... You probably do TFWNN..
 
Firstly if this is your view fair enough, but since this is a debating site:

If you looked into the big bang theory, you would see it is merely a cycle like everything else, the planets will get further away from each other until at some point they are infact sucked back into each other until everything becomes one again, then it will start to separate again (basic explanation)... No higher being is needed to do this, it is just the cycle of the universe just like water evaporation from the sea and rain.

The universe is as it is and we are the universe, so techincally there is no real creation.. life is constant, it doesnt end just transforms... we cannot be created or destroyed!

You may need to think about it more deeply!!!

the problem is though that we are created and are destroyed. Even the universe is accepted as eventually being destroyed

the water cycle is an interesting example, its so perfect, it could not just have happened
 
Griffin and Choudary are two sides of the same hate-filled, **** covered coin.
 
you could always find out

oh thats right you are a pussy, who likes to talk shoite behind the safety of a computer screen

Find out what?
Choudary's a hate-mongering ****.
That's not in dispute.
Stop giving it the whole internet hardman bullshit, as you're clearly full of crap.

Should someone with your views support Man USA, anyway?
 
Choudary is a fat middle aged man, i doubt you know him but given the " benefit" of doubt why would such a stupid meeting take place?...............PNP is under the impression that he is a benefit claiming hate merchant..... You say he doesn t claim any money from the state he would like to destroy......
What good would a meeting do, he would just lie and duck any questions anyway................ Its not impressive to claim to know such a ****, i would be equally unimpressed if you know Nick Griffin...... You probably do TFWNN..

no never met griffin

I have known anjem for years. actually have his number on my phone. despite his views I find him a pleasant enough bloke

The point is why ask me about him o more than one occassion?
then when offered the chance (and guarantees) to ask the fella, come up with all types of bullshit to avoid it

not man enough to put his money where his mouth is imo