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The Situation said:
Yes I agree it is a very vast topic for a forum.

However on the chance and the probability thing, rare things do happen, the very fact you are born is nearly impossible, In each human coupling, a thousand million sperm vie for a single egg. Multiply those odds by countless generations, against the odds of your ancestors being alive, meeting, and then having you, well theres more chance of the air your breathing right now turning into gold, and yet here you are typing away...

Is this only because of some god, well what is god? The fact of the matter is if you truely think about it we are infact god or in other words the universe, we are made up of the same star dust that was present in the big bang, so infact we made ourselves... We eat cows or animals however in 3000 years time when we are dead and decompose and turn into soil we will be eaten by these very animals if not some evolved version..

Every thing is inter-linked there is no sepearate being which created everything, we are part of a system and infact are the system at the same time.. bit of a paradox really.
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That has to be some EPIC weed you've got there...:emoticon-0176-smoke:emoticon-0175-drunk
 
The Situation said:
Yes I agree it is a very vast topic for a forum.

However on the chance and the probability thing, rare things do happen, the very fact you are born is nearly impossible, In each human coupling, a thousand million sperm vie for a single egg. Multiply those odds by countless generations, against the odds of your ancestors being alive, meeting, and then having you, well theres more chance of the air your breathing right now turning into gold, and yet here you are typing away...

Is this only because of some god, well what is god? The fact of the matter is if you truely think about it we are infact god or in other words the universe, we are made up of the same star dust that was present in the big bang, so infact we made ourselves... We eat cows or animals however in 3000 years time when we are dead and decompose and turn into soil we will be eaten by these very animals if not some evolved version..

Every thing is inter-linked there is no sepearate being which created everything, we are part of a system and infact are the system at the same time.. bit of a paradox really.
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not really for me anyway.

As I say for me the question was proving a creator exists, free from the traditional images of god. Once I freed myself from this I was able to look at the notion more clearly. The thing for me was that everything is too perfect for chance to have created it. None of the alternatives made sense. People accept science yet dont see/have knowledge of what science says and how ridiculous some of that can be.

Do away with the concept/notion of god and focus instead on a creator. whether that is the big bang or another entity. the point is there HAS to be a 'creator' even if it was aliens doing an experiment
 
thefanwithnoname said:
As I say for me the question was proving a creator exists, free from the traditional images of god. Once I freed myself from this I was able to look at the notion more clearly. The thing for me was that everything is too perfect for chance to have created it. None of the alternatives made sense. People accept science yet dont see/have knowledge of what science says and how ridiculous some of that can be.
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Which of the scientific theories are ridiculous?
 
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thefanwithnoname said:
so you know exactly what i was alluding to?
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I knew that you were referring to him as the source, just not what he's supposed to be the source of, exactly.
Random religious crap, perhaps?

You still haven't given me a single reason to meet the hatemongering ****ehawk.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
I knew that you were referring to him as the source, just not what he's supposed to be the source of, exactly.
Random religious crap, perhaps?

You still haven't given me a single reason to meet the hatemongering ****ehawk.
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why do you keep bringing him up, make allegations, yet dare not question directly?

is it cuz you is a pussy?
 
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