Additional flags/banners

[Fez]

The club didn't design or choose the other banners. The banners haven't made the club more or less anything.

The issues you've now settled on are ones for HCST. People on this board (not me and certainly not the club) decided what the banners were about.


The offer to meet them and then decide still stands.

I didn't say the club did design or choose the designs, I said the designs were not contentious for the club - more simply, they did not go against the core tenet of their name-change campaign - no mention of the word City when describing the club - even though it is a part of the name. It isn't the banners that have made the club anything, I agree; what has changed, with this project, appears to be your attitude in respect of the trust-worthiness of the club, but that is something for you.
The issues you say I have settled on are for me, not necessarily for you or the HCST, or anyone else for that matter; I am capable of thinking independently, so do not concern yourself. I could, if I decide it is appropriate, use my membership of the HCST to let them know my concerns, but I can see that some officials are monitoring this so I am comfortable doing the same.
I agree, it was people on this board who decided what the banners were about - in truth we agreed to one, but then there was (in my opinion) an indecent haste to spend surplus cash on another when the first was as yet incomplete on site. My simple point out of all of this is to hold others in check until the logistics of installation and the results and fall-out from the name-change application are confirmed. You might disagree, that is your right.

Your continued repeating of your offer for me to meet with them (who?) is childish and a waste of your time; I have no intention of doing so as I see no purpose whatsoever.

 

[Fez]

Christ on a bike Fez.

Why are you being so arsey about the views of the users of this forum who made the decisions about what type of flags to go for?

**** all to do with the club.

This forums users.

Describing the displaying of the banner as tardy just makes you look a bigger **** than the arguing, essentially, about **** all, just because you like arguing with Dutch. About nowt.

Give it a ****ing rest will you.

If you want a banner with Hull City AFC on it, with an Allams Out byline, just ask Mauled, he can knock you one up and you can take it to all the games you want.

The users on this forum decided as a majority, on banners that show support for and focus on very specific things associated with our club and city. If you want a protest banner, try lobbying HCST, although I suspect you'll get even less tolerance from them.

So, I appeal again, give it a ****ing rest.

If you read what I have put I have only expressed my own personal opinion and have made it clear that my decision might not suit others. The displaying was tardy and this had an effect on where we are; it was the only reason I mentioned it - I believe it is not to be displayed again but passed around - I may be wrong as it has all become very confusing, to e honest.

Other than that, **** off, as the rest is just your normal argumentative ****e that bears absolutely no manner of sense to what has been discussed. If you want to pay for another banner without Hull City on it fine, but you would , wouldn't you.

 

[DMD]

I didn't say the club did design or choose the designs, I said the designs were not contentious for the club - more simply, they did not go against the core tenet of their name-change campaign - no mention of the word City when describing the club - even though it is a part of the name. It isn't the banners that have made the club anything, I agree; what has changed, with this project, appears to be your attitude in respect of the trust-worthiness of the club, but that is something for you.
The issues you say I have settled on are for me, not necessarily for you or the HCST, or anyone else for that matter; I am capable of thinking independently, so do not concern yourself. I could, if I decide it is appropriate, use my membership of the HCST to let them know my concerns, but I can see that some officials are monitoring this so I am comfortable doing the same.
I agree, it was people on this board who decided what the banners were about - in truth we agreed to one, but then there was (in my opinion) an indecent haste to spend surplus cash on another when the first was as yet incomplete on site. My simple point out of all of this is to hold others in check until the logistics of installation and the results and fall-out from the name-change application are confirmed. You might disagree, that is your right.

Your continued repeating of your offer for me to meet with them (who?) is childish and a waste of your time; I have no intention of doing so as I see no purpose whatsoever.

You've made those points, and I've answered them. You don't believe me and you won't ask the others that can answer you.

The banners are pure and simply to support the team. That was the decision of the people on here. It will only change if that's what people on here want.

The issues you have are for elsewhere. The offer to help you ask those questions to the appropriate people isn't a waste of my time. Repeatedly answering them certainly is.

 

[Fez]

Zero digs at HCST were given in my post. I was quite clearly pointing out to Fez that he'd be unlikely to get the protest banner he seems desperate for from even HCST.

Are you really so stupid? I am saying that the banners should be stopped for the foreseeable future, certainly not demanding one.

 

[DMD]

Aye, let's stop Hull City fans having Hull City banners in Hull City's Stadium to show support for Hull City. That'll show him.

 

[Fez]

You've made those points, and I've answered them. You don't believe me and you won't ask the others that can answer you.

The banners are pure and simply to support the team. That was the decision of the people on here. It will only change if that's what people on here want.

The issues you have are for elsewhere. The offer to help you ask those questions to the appropriate people isn't a waste of my time. Repeatedly answering them certainly is.

You have answered them; inadequately, but you have answered them. The people involved, who you speak of have told us all quite a number of lies, so I have no reason to believe them now, I would rather await the out come of their name-change application and judge their actions then - what is hard for you to understand in that; why must I jump to your timetable and motivations? The banner was pure and simply to support the Bruce (team); the increase in banners is another thing. Stop answering them, I haven't asked you to.

 

[Fez]

Aye, let's stop Hull City fans having Hull City banners in Hull City's Stadium to show support for Hull City. That'll show him.

That's you being argumentative again; simply delay the banners until the name-change is sorted, as, judging from previous timescales they will not be ready for the key games anyway - a simple observation.

But let me ask a couple of simple questions of you:
Can you guarantee that the words Hull City (with or without AFC) will be allowed to be draped around the stadium; do you have a guarantee this will be the case?
Do you think it might be construed (by the owners) that additional banners, to the ones already created, that do not identify the club as Hull City, are in any way supportive of his name-change argument?

I supported the first banner and was dubious about the second, but further ones are, in my opinion a mistake at this stage. I am not the villain here and will leave it at that, as folk will do with their money as they will.

 

[DMD]

You have answered them; inadequately, but you have answered them. The people involved, who you speak of have told us all quite a number of lies, so I have no reason to believe them now, I would rather await the out come of their name-change application and judge their actions then - what is hard for you to understand in that; why must I jump to your timetable and motivations? The banner was pure and simply to support the Bruce (team); the increase in banners is another thing. Stop answering them, I haven't asked you to.

Okay, you reckon my replies, as full and as patient as I have been are inadequate in your opinion, although you're also now saying I shouldn't answer because you're not asking me. I've offered you the opportunity to ask people who will give you the definitive answer to your questions and you've declined.

You've made the same point repeteadly. Dependant on people donating, more banners are going in the ground, so there's no point you carrying on saying the same thing.

You don't have to jump to any timetable or motivation, nobody's asked you to. It's actually you expecting everyone else to jump to your timetable because of your own motivations.

Quite simply, your issue (whatever it turns out to be) is separate to the banners and the concept behind them.

 

[ellewoods]

So,,,,,,,,,, is there going to be a thread with a donation link again soon? Or a vote on an image? I dont feel like reading through 6 pages of people arguing. Its hot as **** outside and I have a head ache from it and doing yard work.

 

[Brian Storm]

Politics aside, love a good banner me, how about a massive one to pass across the stands? Here's our South stand one. It looks class, imagine that with your colours. Bright vibrant orange and black with the classic crest on it(Changing your club crest is one thing but denying history is another). It would look handsome.

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The Tifo looks class too.

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They can get really elaborate.

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[DMD]

That's you being argumentative again; simply delay the banners until the name-change is sorted, as, judging from previous timescales they will not be ready for the key games anyway - a simple observation.

But let me ask a couple of simple questions of you:
Can you guarantee that the words Hull City (with or without AFC) will be allowed to be draped around the stadium; do you have a guarantee this will be the case?
Do you think it might be construed (by the owners) that additional banners, to the ones already created, that do not identify the club as Hull City, are in any way supportive of his name-change argument?

I supported the first banner and was dubious about the second, but further ones are, in my opinion a mistake at this stage. I am not the villain here and will leave it at that, as folk will do with their money as they will.

Fez, you've asked the same things again and again. I don't know how many different ways I can answer this, but I'l try one more.

WE on here create and vote for the flag designs. I see no reason why they, like many of the others already, can't have Hull City on.

The club have had no influence at all on that. I can't recall them asking if they said Hull City on them, I don't think they did, it just wasn't an issue.

The plan for the next lot, is for 6'×4' flags with a series of club legends on. I 100% guarantee that if any include the words Hull City, they'll still be allowed to be displayed in the ground. Provided they meet safety requirements, the club couldn't stop them if they wanted to.

The exception being if the rest of the wording related to the protest or was otherwise offensive.

The aim of the banners isn't to get the words Hull City everywhere, it's to support the team. There's no doubt at all, who the Bruce Banner is supporting. The name being on or otherwise simply isn't an issue.

What I have zero intention of being involved in, is what would become a campaign to have Hull City on everything just to make a point. That goes against the concept of the banners.

If the design naturally lends itself to it, then I don't have a problem and I doubt the club would. There are banners on the concourse and t-shirts in the shop with Hull City on.

 

[DMD]

So,,,,,,,,,, is there going to be a thread with a donation link again soon? Or a vote on an image? I dont feel like reading through 6 pages of people arguing. Its hot as **** outside and I have a head ache from it and doing yard work.

You're missing nothing at all by not reading it. Read one, you've read them all. Unfortunately a few others could have been put of from responding because of it.

In answer to your question, yes there will be a thread with a banner link. I'm hoping to do it tomorrow on a thread with voting options. Mauled has done some draft images, which I think are up to his usual standard, but I noticed two choices missing that I believe should be on. I'm sure others will have alternatives too.

I emailed the club today, and I've had a positive reply. There are some other posibilites being looked at, but my view is we crack on with 6' ×4' banners, because we get to choose who waves them. Which is pretty much whoever volunteers. If we're lucky enough to have too many volunteers, we'l maybe have a vote.

The donation link won't be on initially. It's the Hull City Southen Supporters that have kindly volunteered to take care of that again. They'll put the link up once the thread exists. It's another debt of gratitude we owe them.

So far, the options (assuming I've got it right) are;

Raich Carter, Vigo Jensen, Jock Davidson, Billy Bly, Chillo, Waggy, Ash, Deano, Rosey and Elmo. I reckon big Billy, and Nick Barmby should possibly be there too.

 

[Brian Storm]

You're missing nothing at all by not reading it. Read one, you've read them all. Unfortunately a few others could have been put of from responding because of it.

In answer to your question, yes there will be a thread with a banner link. I'm hoping to do it tomorrow on a thread with voting options. Mauled has done some draft images, which I think are up to his usual standard, but I noticed two choices missing that I believe should be on. I'm sure others will have alternatives too.

I emailed the club today, and I've had a positive reply. There are some other posibilites being looked at, but my view is we crack on with 6' ×4' banners, because we get to choose who waves them. Which is pretty much whoever volunteers. If we're lucky enough to have too many volunteers, we'l maybe have a vote.

The donation link won't be on initially. It's the Hull City Southen Supporters that have kindly volunteered to take care of that again. They'll put the link up once the thread exists. It's another debt of gratitude we owe them.

So far, the options (assuming I've got it right) are;

Raich Carter, Vigo Jensen, Jock Davidson, Billy Bly, Chillo, Waggy, Ash, Deano, Rosey and Elmo. I reckon big Billy, and Nick Barmby should possibly be there too.

Raich has a sports centre named after him close to where he grew up. By all accounts a very good cricketer too. Legend round our parts also.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Politics aside, love a good banner me, how about a massive one to pass across the stands? Here's our South stand one. It looks class, imagine that with your colours. Bright vibrant orange and black with the classic crest on it(Changing your club crest is one thing but denying history is another). It would look handsome.

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The Tifo looks class too.

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They can get really elaborate.

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Looks good those. We've done big flags before and some idiots get the bloody thing upside down & it looks shocking.

We've also done the Tifo thing & it most people just ended up chucking the cards on the pitch.

I think different flags of city heroes, around the stands (if we can get somewhere without blocking advertisments) is ther best option.

 

[DMD]

Politics aside, love a good banner me, how about a massive one to pass across the stands? Here's our South stand one. It looks class, imagine that with your colours. Bright vibrant orange and black with the classic crest on it(Changing your club crest is one thing but denying history is another). It would look handsome.


The Tifo looks class too.



They can get really elaborate.

The club already have a couple of large banners that we used to pass around, but their current whereabouts are unclear.

A pass around banner was the original plan for the Bruce one, so one option is to use it for that and make another to replace it, as it's not really the optimum size for the space it's in. We had another banner made which is next to the Bruce one, but less visible, so it could be an option to put that in the Bruce place and the additional one, designed specifically be used in it's place.

They take a bit of time and arranging, especially as support is physically divided since a stand move, so I feel, as we've someone offering to make the banners in house, we crack on with one's we can take and display in the ground pretty much as anyone can. We can then look at other options while we do it.

Another plus with that, is we can (subject to funds) make more, as there's bound to be people with different favourites, so it gives us the opportunity to give more options.

All just my view, it's the board that decides. But all suggestions are welcome.

 

[DMD]

Raich has a sports centre named after him close to where he grew up. By all accounts a very good cricketer too. Legend round our parts also.

His grandson is a regular at City games. I've never heard a bad word about Raich Carter, everyone speaks very highly of him.

 

[AlRawdah]

His grandson is a regular at City games.

As is Raich's son. In fact that might be who you mean.

 

[The Omega Man]

One of the worries was that the banners would be hijacked by a supporters group. I did not expect that the hijacking would be from an individual.

If ANY group, individual or the club dictates what the members on this board vote to have on what would be an officially sanctioned banner, that's me I'm out.

Individuals who want to drag the issue of the ownership or name of the club into this can get ****ed.

The banners are to demonstrate support from Not 606 Hull City, for the manager and team. That crosses all opinion regarding the politics of the club and supporter base. However, common sense has to be applied, we all know that a banner saying something like "we are Hull City" should be avoided, just the same as one saying "Thank you Dr Allam". plain old common sense..
Putting a banner on display takes a small amount of organisation, having a banner going over the crowd, takes a bit more. Waving flags pitch side introduces another level. Tifo yet another. All require people to commit time to get these things sorted.

So posters can either support the general idea, or not. No one is forced to pay into anything. I did not vote for the Cobb Morley banner, but support the majority view.

 

[originallambrettaman]

One of the worries was that the banners would be hijacked by a supporters group. I did not expect that the hijacking would be from an individual.

If ANY group, individual or the club dictates what the members on this board vote to have on what would be an officially sanctioned banner, that's me I'm out.

Individuals who want to drag the issue of the ownership or name of the club into this can get ****ed.

It might have been one of your worries, but as there was never an attempt to hijack anything, by anyone, you were worrying for no good reason.

 

[Polly13]

Does it matter whether or not they've got the words "Hull City" on? Isn't it a given that they're in support of Hull City, ffs?