Summer '24 transfer window

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All of this depends how quickly you'd like us to be in the PL I suppose.

Bringing in a PL loan, or two, and a 30yo £3/4m striker might get us up this season followed by a rebuild through the close season and an attempt to sign players who know there's a good chance of relegation. It also means the two PL loans, and a 31yo striker, may no longer be there or up to the PL. They've also managed to prevent two or three of our younger players, like Mayenda, Aouchiche, Mundle, whoever from improving.

Or we can keep developing them, keep the team spirit together and go up ready for the battle.

Both options may fail but with Plan B you can keep the team together and use another season's experience to your advantage.

I'd take either but I think Plan B is better in the long term ...

... all I need is patience, NOW!!!

I'm of the same mindset. I'm sick of having our backsides handed to us each week in the prem and would rather go up with a team that would be ready for the fight and to actually try and build something in the premier league. Ok we will probably never win the league but if we can steadily build on staying up each year and then maybe just maybe we might see a mackem in Milan! <laugh>
 
My only counter to the “how quickly to get promoted” argument is that I’d probably accept a season of premier league defeats for parachute payments that can be used properly for a long term sustainable plan. Similar to what Luton have done.

Also as we learnt last season, success one year isn't always repeated the next. So we don’t have the luxury of choosing when to be promoted. If we get the chance we need to grab it
 
My only counter to the “how quickly to get promoted” argument is that I’d probably accept a season of premier league defeats for parachute payments that can be used properly for a long term sustainable plan. Similar to what Luton have done.

Also as we learnt last season, success one year isn't always repeated the next. So we don’t have the luxury of choosing when to be promoted. If we get the chance we need to grab it
Yeah we absolutely can't choose it and should be doing anything we can to go up, with the PL money Speakman and co will be shopping in much better markets and we could build a team that stays up
 
I'm of the same mindset. I'm sick of having our backsides handed to us each week in the prem and would rather go up with a team that would be ready for the fight and to actually try and build something in the premier league. Ok we will probably never win the league but if we can steadily build on staying up each year and then maybe just maybe we might see a mackem in Milan! <laugh>

Never going to have a team that’s ready though. Good players aren’t going to sit in the championship forever they move on. Even the ****e teams in the PL would more than likely tan everyone in the championship because of the money you get for initially going up, you can go and spend £100m to improve the team straight away.
 
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Never going to have a team that’s ready though. Good players aren’t going to sit in the championship forever they move on. Even the ****e teams in the PL would more than likely tan everyone in the championship because of the money you get for initially going up, you can go and spend £100m to improve the team straight away.

You sure you're supporting the right team? Always looking for the negative in posts!
 
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My only counter to the “how quickly to get promoted” argument is that I’d probably accept a season of premier league defeats for parachute payments that can be used properly for a long term sustainable plan. Similar to what Luton have done.

Also as we learnt last season, success one year isn't always repeated the next. So we don’t have the luxury of choosing when to be promoted. If we get the chance we need to grab it
Getting parachute money from the prem for a season of defeats is all well and good, but only if the money would be spent on strengthening the team.
 
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You sure you're supporting the right team? Always looking for the negative in posts!

It’s just common sense though? We finished about 5 points above the relegation places last season and realistically at this level how much better is our team going to get? We all agree we have a very good team with a few holes in it and once we nail that we have a good chance. But you hang around for another season you risk losing the better players, it’s difficult to continually sign players that improve you whilst losing nobody when you aren’t in the top division.
 
Be horrific having a Sheffield United season.

Could handle a Luton one.

We could in theory do a Forest one. We have been so careful with money could spend PL ‘guaranteed’ money in advance and compete.

We do have players capable of stepping up.

This is it. Nobody wants us to sign a load of plodders that are good at this level but will get hammered in the PL. I have that attitude with managers too though I’d hate for us to get a steady pair of hands that we know will do a job at this level but be out of his depth in the prem. Having a younger squad with a younger relatively unknown manager is exciting.
 
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My only counter to the “how quickly to get promoted” argument is that I’d probably accept a season of premier league defeats for parachute payments that can be used properly for a long term sustainable plan. Similar to what Luton have done.

Also as we learnt last season, success one year isn't always repeated the next. So we don’t have the luxury of choosing when to be promoted. If we get the chance we need to grab it

As difficult as it is,imo,we need a team to wipe the floor with the Championship before we go into the PL. I,for one,am not excited about suffering another miserable season as the whipping boys of the PL......seen too many of them. I get the money point of view,of course, but I don't see that as enough compensation for a yo-yo existence.
I believe we're on the right lines,steadily building a squad to give it a go. If it takes another year or two,so be it. I want to see us play good,attacking,exciting football and if it's at the top end of the Championship for the time being,I'm not unhappy with that. When we go up,we have to be ready.
 
Yeah we absolutely can't choose it and should be doing anything we can to go up, with the PL money Speakman and co will be shopping in much better markets and we could build a team that stays up

That's the dilemma though. You go shopping with PL money,on high earners,on long contracts and hope they produce.If they don't we're in the **** big time. We've been here before.
 
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That's the dilemma though. You go shopping with PL money,on high earners,on long contracts and hope they produce.If they don't we're in the **** big time. We've been here before.
It's football at the end of the day and the aim is the PL. It's part and parcel you just do your best to do well which a good few clubs like Brighton, Brentford etc have done. I don't want us sitting around for years and not pushing for it when we can, we have already been out of it for 8 years. Also, we will start losing the key players the longer we stay in this divison
 
It's football at the end of the day and the aim is the PL. It's part and parcel you just do your best to do well which a good few clubs like Brighton, Brentford etc have done. I don't want us sitting around for years and not pushing for it when we can, we have already been out of it for 8 years. Also, we will start losing the key players the longer we stay in this divison

For every Brighton and Brentford,there's a Cardiff,Hull,QPR,Swansea,Stoke,Watford,Huddersfield.
 
As difficult as it is,imo,we need a team to wipe the floor with the Championship before we go into the PL. I,for one,am not excited about suffering another miserable season as the whipping boys of the PL......seen too many of them. I get the money point of view,of course, but I don't see that as enough compensation for a yo-yo existence.
I believe we're on the right lines,steadily building a squad to give it a go. If it takes another year or two,so be it. I want to see us play good,attacking,exciting football and if it's at the top end of the Championship for the time being,I'm not unhappy with that. When we go up,we have to be ready.
I genuinely don’t think our fanbase has the capacity to be a yo-yo club on the way down. The moving goalposts through our time out of the top division has shown that imo. A season like either Sheffield United or Burnley last season would see managers, DoFs and even owners hounded.