The EU debate - Part III

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Smirnoffpriest said:
I understand democracy very well thanks despite your patronisation.

We actually had a large influence on the EU - one of the biggest ratios of any country. Most of our proposals were passed and we barely vetoed anything as we agreed with it - besides the useless UKIP MEPs of course
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Ratios?
Ratio of what to what?
 
Found this if it helps:

“The lack of influence is quite marked. Over the past twenty years… there have been 72 occasions in the Council of Ministers where the United Kingdom has opposed a particular measure. Of those 72 occasions, we have been successful precisely 0 times and we have lost 72 times. That is a fact.”
 
Brexit said:
Found this if it helps:

“The lack of influence is quite marked. Over the past twenty years… there have been 72 occasions in the Council of Ministers where the United Kingdom has opposed a particular measure. Of those 72 occasions, we have been successful precisely 0 times and we have lost 72 times. That is a fact.”
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That's how Remoaners like it. They love being told what to do.
 
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petersaxton said:
That's how Remoaners like it. They love being told what to do.
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Yawn
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/the-policy-successes-and-failures-of-uk-meps/

'Overall, these results confirm the fact that British MEPs are marginalised on many policy issues in the European Parliament. This is largely a result of the British Conservatives leaving the dominant EPP group, as well as the increase in the number of UKIP MEPs (who are almost always on the losing side)'

Effectively we are marginalised because the politicians we send to Brussels choose to be.
 
steveninaster1 said:
Yawn
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/the-policy-successes-and-failures-of-uk-meps/

'Overall, these results confirm the fact that British MEPs are marginalised on many policy issues in the European Parliament. This is largely a result of the British Conservatives leaving the dominant EPP group, as well as the increase in the number of UKIP MEPs (who are almost always on the losing side)'

Effectively we are marginalised because the politicians we send to Brussels choose to be.
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Why did they leave, is it because it does not suit them or the UK?
 
Brexit said:
Why did they leave, is it because it does not suit them or the UK?
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If you think about it you might find other analogies where our politicians have flounced instead of trying to stay within a group and change opinion.
It will never suit the UK to be marginalised. It is the weakening of our main parties and an increase in UKIP that has undermined our ability to influence EU policy, not some claim that the EU is undemocratic.
The same researcher shows that prior to UKIP the UK was far from marginalised and actually enjoyed more concensus than any other major country.
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/is-the-uk-marginalised-in-the-eu-2/
 
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steveninaster1 said:
If you think about it you might find other analogies where our politicians have flounced instead of trying to stay within a group and change opinion.
It will never suit the UK to be marginalised. It is the weakening of our main parties and an increase in UKIP that has undermined our ability to influence EU policy, not some claim that the EU is undemocratic.
The same researcher shows that prior to UKIP the UK was far from marginalised and actually enjoyed more concensus than any other major country.
http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/is-the-uk-marginalised-in-the-eu-2/
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The EU IS undemocratic.
 
Brexit said:
Found this if it helps:

“The lack of influence is quite marked. Over the past twenty years… there have been 72 occasions in the Council of Ministers where the United Kingdom has opposed a particular measure. Of those 72 occasions, we have been successful precisely 0 times and we have lost 72 times. That is a fact.”
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How many times has the UK supported a measure and won and how many times has the UK supported a measure and lost. You can get that from the same source which, as usual, you haven't disclosed.
 
steveninaster1 said:
Easily fixed
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They've been trying, well to at least to appear to be fixing it.


Pulling out was the surest way. Staying in meant we were devolving local decision making from a local level, to some unelected group on the EU that couldn't find you on a map. It's bad enough being Londoncentric.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
They've been trying, well to at least to appear to be fixing it.


Pulling out was the surest way. Staying in meant we were devolving local decision making from a local level, to some unelected group on the EU that couldn't find you on a map. It's bad enough being Londoncentric.
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This argument is no different to accusing senior judges and civil servants of being unelected, or indeed the think tanks that supply MPs with their policies.
The ideas people are rarely elected, but the ideas only happen if those elected agree with it.
 
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