The EU debate - Part III
- Thread starter Jürgenmeiʃter
- Start date
-
Please bear with us on the new site integration and fixing any known bugs over the coming days. If you can not log in please try resetting your password and check your spam box. If you have tried these steps and are still struggling email [email protected] with your username/registered email address
-
- Status
So we aren't going to trade with the EU unless under WTO rules? We are going to comply with EU quality rules (if we want to export to EU) have no freedom of movement, no access to scientific knowledge within the EU, and lose 44% of our trade, or at least increase its cost dramatically because of increased tariffs. Doesn't seem much benefits there tbh
But you don't even know what it is so how can you or anyone else decide of it is a good idea?
Ok, more voted for him than any other party. You get my point.,..
Um seeing as the moderate MPs who are staying - the ones who support Corbyn are staying, I'm not sure why you'd mention them. Considering Liz Kendall couldn't even convince 10% of people who share similar views to vote for her and Owen Smith could only attract a hundred people to Liverpool with the promise of free ice cream, then I find your claims similarly lacking in facts as your other posts on this thread!
How many people go to these rallies anyway, I would not go to one even if one was held in my town (be UKIP or Tories)
The rallies only attract hard core activists in the first place.
Where do you get that from?
If the EU want to pay us a lot more in tariffs than we pay them then it will be under WTO rules but if the EU realises that's a crazy idea they may decide it's best for them to not pay tariffs.
Don't we comply with EU quality rules now? Don't we comply with every countries quality rules now?
Why no access to scientific knowledge within the EU? Don't the EU want access to our scientific knowledge?
Increase costs of trading with the EU "dramatically"? You mean the 3% which is the majority of tariffs in the WTO. With Germany, etc., paying 10% tariffs to export their cars to the UK.
There seems plenty of benefits. The only problem would be if the EU tried to be silly. Then the EU government leaders would get put in their place by the national government leaders.
You don't seem to have much understanding of reality. I bet when you negotiate you always end up with a bad deal.
Because we will be out of the EU and making all our own decisions.
I bet you love being bossed about.
I can see him going to buy a car...
How much for the car mate,
£5000
OK I will give you £6000 for it, take it or leave it
You don't seem to talk logically. Liz Kendall couldn't convince 10% of people who shares her views? If there's 4 people with similar views then why shouldn't one get more than the others? In fact it's pretty obvious that one will get most and the other three will get less. Do you want all four to get 50% each? It's mathematically impossible.
The lack of understanding is frightening.
Failure to reach agreement with the EU will hit our services sector hard because there is no provision in WTO. Not only that, the EU would be happy to see the companies that provide services looking elsewhere so they have no reason to rush.
As 75% of our economy is services this is not something we should play games with.
Also no mention of customs delays and inspection charges. I guess that's ignored in the land of naivety. Even no tariffs would still be harmfully to both sides.
Can't really be arsed to read back through the last few pages, suffice to say that the head of the WTO said a while back that it would be illegal to simply 'copy and paste' the WTO tariffs for the UK based on those that apply to EU member states. He said that the UK would have to separately negotiate each trade deal and it's tariff.
Ummm you are talking about not negotiating - if you don't negotiate with the EU and you don't enter any trade agreement with them then WTO rules state that you have to trade at WTO tariffs - meaning vastly increased costs for the 44% of our exports we export to the EU.
With regards to research and development - one of the perks of being in the EU is that it gives us access to huge research networks and all countries have to share and collaborate their research together - this increases the effectiveness and value of the research exponentially. Leaving the EU means we no longer have access to these networks or a right to this knowledge base as a result we will either need to replicate it ourselves or pay to access it as other non-EU countries do - thus increasing costs (you may have noticed a large proportion of scientists wanted to remain).
You mention Germany - probably because of their automobile industry - but you do realise their trade deficit with us is around 6 or 7% while ours to the EU is 44%. We would suffer much more than Germany. You must also realise that it isn't just a case of convincing the Germans, we would need to convince every single one of the 27 member states to do what you want - ie give the UK more preferential terms than the EU member states themselves - no freedom of movement and free trade but no obligation to EU rules.
Why do you insist on being so insulting, patronising and obnoxious?
So you are saying that you voted to leave the EU for some indeterminate future being bossed around by Theresa May .... Because you don't like being bossed around????
- Status