The EU debate - Part III

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Smirnoffpriest said:
Ummm you are talking about not negotiating - if you don't negotiate with the EU and you don't enter any trade agreement with them then WTO rules state that you have to trade at WTO tariffs - meaning vastly increased costs for the 44% of our exports we export to the EU.

With regards to research and development - one of the perks of being in the EU is that it gives us access to huge research networks and all countries have to share and collaborate their research together - this increases the effectiveness and value of the research exponentially. Leaving the EU means we no longer have access to these networks or a right to this knowledge base as a result we will either need to replicate it ourselves or pay to access it as other non-EU countries do - thus increasing costs (you may have noticed a large proportion of scientists wanted to remain).

You mention Germany - probably because of their automobile industry - but you do realise their trade deficit with us is around 6 or 7% while ours to the EU is 44%. We would suffer much more than Germany. You must also realise that it isn't just a case of convincing the Germans, we would need to convince every single one of the 27 member states to do what you want - ie give the UK more preferential terms than the EU member states themselves - no freedom of movement and free trade but no obligation to EU rules.

Why do you insist on being so insulting, patronising and obnoxious?
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I am? Can you explain where I said we don't negotiate?
 
petersaxton said:
You don't seem to talk logically. Liz Kendall couldn't convince 10% of people who shares her views? If there's 4 people with similar views then why shouldn't one get more than the others? In fact it's pretty obvious that one will get most and the other three will get less. Do you want all four to get 50% each? It's mathematically impossible.
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WTF?!? This response makes even less sense this all your others if possible!
 
Smirnoffpriest said:
Ummm you are talking about not negotiating - if you don't negotiate with the EU and you don't enter any trade agreement with them then WTO rules state that you have to trade at WTO tariffs - meaning vastly increased costs for the 44% of our exports we export to the EU.

With regards to research and development - one of the perks of being in the EU is that it gives us access to huge research networks and all countries have to share and collaborate their research together - this increases the effectiveness and value of the research exponentially. Leaving the EU means we no longer have access to these networks or a right to this knowledge base as a result we will either need to replicate it ourselves or pay to access it as other non-EU countries do - thus increasing costs (you may have noticed a large proportion of scientists wanted to remain).

You mention Germany - probably because of their automobile industry - but you do realise their trade deficit with us is around 6 or 7% while ours to the EU is 44%. We would suffer much more than Germany. You must also realise that it isn't just a case of convincing the Germans, we would need to convince every single one of the 27 member states to do what you want - ie give the UK more preferential terms than the EU member states themselves - no freedom of movement and free trade but no obligation to EU rules.

Why do you insist on being so insulting, patronising and obnoxious?
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Explain why we would suffer much more than Germany.
You seem to think it's sensible using percentages but it isn't. Surely, Germany for example, is more worried about the absolute tariffs because that is the amount that is affected. If 10% tariffs on their cars it doesn't matter if that is 1% of their trade, their car industry is not going to like it.
 
petersaxton said:
Explain why we would suffer much more than Germany.
You seem to think it's sensible using percentages but it isn't. Surely, Germany for example, is more worried about the absolute tariffs because that is the amount that is affected. If 10% tariffs on their cars it doesn't matter if that is 1% of their trade, their car industry is not going to like it.
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Yes I think it's sensible to use facts. I suppose that's not a Sensible Party policy
 
Smirnoffpriest said:
So you are saying that you voted to leave the EU for some indeterminate future being bossed around by Theresa May .... Because you don't like being bossed around????
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I don't think you understand democracy. The UK has got nowhere when they were one country out of 28 in the EU. Nobody had to take any notice of us because they didn't think we would leave. If May doesn't take notice of the people she will get deposed by the Conservative Party. I'm not talking about a few looney lefties who don't care about democracy.
 
Smirnoffpriest said:
Yes I think it's sensible to use facts. I suppose that's not a Sensible Party policy
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You could say that one painting is lighter than another painting so it is better. That one painting is lighter than another painting may be a fact but is it a relevant fact. Maybe the darker painting is better art?
 
petersaxton said:
You could say that one painting is lighter than another painting so it is better. That one painting is lighter than another painting may be a fact but is it a relevant fact. Maybe the darker painting is better art?
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No one has seen the darker painting but you insist it's better because the artist was well known once.
 
petersaxton said:
I don't think you understand democracy. The UK has got nowhere when they were one country out of 28 in the EU. Nobody had to take any notice of us because they didn't think we would leave. If May doesn't take notice of the people she will get deposed by the Conservative Party. I'm not talking about a few looney lefties who don't care about democracy.
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What a load of bollocks.
The UK MEPs agreed with the EU about virtually everything, except for the Kippers, who disagreed about everything on principle.
This **** knows nothing.
 
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petersaxton said:
Anybody can use "facts". It's whether they are relevant "facts". For that you have to be able to understand their relevance.
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Umm how is facts about how much we trade with Europe (and how much trade will be affected by a tariff) and them with us NOT be relevant when talking about trade with the EU????
 
Smirnoffpriest said:
Ummm you are talking about not negotiating - if you don't negotiate with the EU and you don't enter any trade agreement with them then WTO rules state that you have to trade at WTO tariffs - meaning vastly increased costs for the 44% of our exports we export to the EU.

With regards to research and development - one of the perks of being in the EU is that it gives us access to huge research networks and all countries have to share and collaborate their research together - this increases the effectiveness and value of the research exponentially. Leaving the EU means we no longer have access to these networks or a right to this knowledge base as a result we will either need to replicate it ourselves or pay to access it as other non-EU countries do - thus increasing costs (you may have noticed a large proportion of scientists wanted to remain).

You mention Germany - probably because of their automobile industry - but you do realise their trade deficit with us is around 6 or 7% while ours to the EU is 44%. We would suffer much more than Germany. You must also realise that it isn't just a case of convincing the Germans, we would need to convince every single one of the 27 member states to do what you want - ie give the UK more preferential terms than the EU member states themselves - no freedom of movement and free trade but no obligation to EU rules.

Why do you insist on being so insulting, patronising and obnoxious?
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Erm, because he is insulting, patronising, and obnoxious?

Not to mention bigoted, stupid, fat, and married to one of those people he hates so much, an immigrant!
 
petersaxton said:
I don't think you understand democracy. The UK has got nowhere when they were one country out of 28 in the EU. Nobody had to take any notice of us because they didn't think we would leave. If May doesn't take notice of the people she will get deposed by the Conservative Party. I'm not talking about a few looney lefties who don't care about democracy.
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I understand democracy very well thanks despite your patronisation.

We actually had a large influence on the EU - one of the biggest ratios of any country. Most of our proposals were passed and we barely vetoed anything as we agreed with it - besides the useless UKIP MEPs of course
 
Stanley said:
Indeed you do Bluey.

Is this your new tactic to try and get a date with me?

I admire your persistence but it's still a no.
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As I said, nobody knows. No need to get narked Jelly, I was just pointing out that nobody really knows who or what you are.
 
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