Off Topic BREXIT

The ignorance of the voter. It's all about immigration.brexit using na zi es que propaganda to fuel hatred towards migrants coming here in search of something better. They come here as there is opportunity. Spain doesn't have this.....as there is no work.....its a positive.

 

They are not all asylum seekers and refugees fleeing in fear of their lives then?

 

So why vote that way? I would think for someone who doesn't really care too much a bout politics may see who was on the side of brexit. Trump, le pen, putin basically any far right group. Sepera ting ourselves is not a good thing. We need to work together to improve. I am personally disheartened with the 17m of my fellow brit's. I'm yet to hear an argument where a brexit is a good thing.

 

My reading is far wider than the comical stuff you keep referring to. Hell, I even read the Guardian. For a laugh of course.

 

Immigrants contribute a lot more than they take out. I'd rather any hardworking European contributing than any lazy so and so claiming. If you have voted because of the immigration argument you have well and truly been duped and I hope you hold those accountable for it when none of their promises happen

 

It doesn't show.

 

I suggest you devote some time to sorting out the considerably worse situation in Spain.

 

It wouldn't to someone who would come second to an amoeba in an intellect contest.

 

You've got me on that. The spa ni ads are obsessed with it as without it they are well and e truly doomed.

 

Thankfully I don't have to deal with xenophobic morons like you.

 

You've made that up haven't you?
None of that is true. We have to negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world. You make out that joining the EU is a one way street - you are in and you can never leave. Now we can make decisions in the best interests of the country. If the EU sells more to the UK than the UK sells to the EU then the EU should be paying us for the benefit of such a deal. I dont see any reason why we would agree to free movement of labour in any trade deal. The TTIP agreement being made with the USA doesn't insist on free movement of labour between the EU and USA.

 

residents across EU

 

by country of birth, 2013 figures show that the top 6 sources of non-EU immigrants are from India, Pakistan, South Africa, Nigeria, Bangladesh and the United States. (http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/migrants-uk-overview )

 

Nothing against the many hardworking immigrants from Poland, Bulgaria etc I keep coming across sround my way. Many more pleasant than some of the surly resentful locals who seem to think that their D level in Media Studies entitles them to interesting well paid employment and not whatbtheynare having todo which they consider beneath them. Not so sure about some of the others who make no effort to work or integrate and think we should take care of them.
Was looked after by some very pleasant nurses from Spain the last couple of times I was in hospital recently. Professional, well trained but can't get a job back in Spain. Pity we can't train more like them instead of cutting back and importing them. They have no intention of returning, they love it 'oop north and think Spain is up the creek.

 

What I understand is that millions of Leave voters feel they have nowt to lose, as they live in places abandoned by successive Londoncentric governments and the obsequious smug media who infest the place.
Now these Remain voters get to feel a fraction of the pain felt by communities all over Britain, and they're squealing like pigs, and showing themselves up with embarrassing comments about the intelligence, age and education of the majority of voters. Poor losers.
Has Hull got an electrified rail service yet? No
Has the M62 been extended to Hull yet? No
Not much sign of EU benevolence locally, just a rotting Lord Line building where our fishing industry used to be. I'm sure other parts of the kingdom have similar views, and the malaise is not necessarily down to the EU or even the current govt., but people presumably feel that someone needs to be told.
It's not the EU's task to build these projects but many communities feel they have **** all trickle down from Brussels. What we have had, though, is a trickle through our porous borders of chancers from all over the globe, and that concerns people, especially as there seems no will or mechanism to stop it.

 

Of course the only ones that are threatened with being sent back, no matter the legality of their being here or what crimes they have committed are white South Africans and Americans,

 

Have the auditors signed off the EU books yet?

 

Agree completely. THe brexiters (according to the demographic) will ultimately be those that will suffer. The politicians who were overwhelmingly remain will now have to try and arrange something. So now remains have to arrange the mess the brexiters have voted us into. There are no positives.

 

statistics breaking down the proportions of votes along age and education (which is not the same as intelligence) are neutral facts and not a value judgement.

And just what do Brexiters think will happen differently now for those examples? And who are you going to blame when nothing changes?

Look, I get the argument that this is a protest vote, I think one of the best explanations I've read so far is http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/06/i-want-my-country-back

There are huge areas of post-industrial decline and neglect where people are more furious than Cameron and his ilk could possibly understand, areas where any kind of antiestablishment rabble-rousing sounds like a clarion call. In depressed mountain villages and knackered seaside towns and burned-out former factory heartlands across the country, ordinary people were promised that for once, their vote would matter, that they could give the powers that be a poke in the eye. Westminster may have underestimated how very much it is hated by those to whom mainstream politics have not spoken in generations.

But honestly, when you've got over the laughing and pointing and shouting "loser" at us, what do you think is going to happen?