Absolutely. Fed up with the generalisations on both sides. I wanted out but favour a relaxed stance on immigration (god, I did work in the NHS for decades) for example. I also don't think I'm stupid, I may be wrong at times but am still entitled to an opinion. When some articulate poorly their fears about changes caused by immigration they shouldn't be labeled thick and castigated, maybe listened to occasionally. Mind you bet Dave is wishing he allowed 16yr olds + to vote, might've saved him.
Whichever way you voted it was a vote based on ignorance. The fact, the only actual fact, is that no one knows what the future holds and that would be true if 'Remain' had won. I don't think anyone has the right to claim the moral high ground as some are doing. To accuse people of racism is not clever and, for the majority, way off the mark. I don't even believe this can be interpreted as an anti- Europe vote more an anti-federal Europe vote an an, "I told you so" to the politicians.
An issue I have a problem with - which I am not pointing at anyone on here as I haven't read the whole thread - is that many remain voters see leave voters as racist, thick, wrong, idiotic etc. No one knows for certain what will change so perhaps the aggression could be cooled.
Now we have voted out, I sincerely hope that I have been so wrong and that you are right. What ever it is, we're in it together. We March on oops got carried away then
I agree. Not wishing to speak for Archers, but he seems a decent chap. Just showing more disappointment than others...
In truth, I only think Archers has mentioned racism aggressively. He did get a bit aggressive and I truly believe he isn't that type of person. He'll be back in being cool again soon
While no one is claiming that everyone that voted leave is racist/nationalist, you can bet your last diminishing £ that every racist/nationalist voted to leave. Far too many people are getting defensive about the whole thing.
My daughter says out of 380 6th form students asked in her school 367 were remain. My only 'but' with some of the stats re age groups, and how they voted, was older people are somehow seen as less important as they will spend less time with the consequences. Might as well just kill the old 'uns off then. Or maybe if they have less time their wishes should be seen as more valuable?
No I understand your disappointment but to call me selfish is not right. I have a differing opinion than you. you have decided I am selfish because my decision has made your product expensive. I can understand but by that statement you must also see that from my side it would be selfish to sacrifice people's well being their state of mind just so that those who aren't at the bottom can enjoy what they have now. It works both ways. What was selfish was Blair's intention of sacrificing the low paid Brits in favour of cheaper labour and hence more profits. The reality is that I don't think you are selfish and I don't think you really believe I am selfish. Yes we voted for what we thought would be best for ourselves and our country. If that is being selfish then OK I'll take it but it means we are both being selfish. We saw the choice from different angles and we made different decisions on the basis of what we believed. I don't think either of us did it to stick 2 fingers up at each other. We did what each of us individually believed was the right thing. If remain had won as I expected I would be disappointed but I would accept the result. I am tired from 11 years of writing letters to MPs (of 2 colours re & Blue) and being dismissed. I am tired from a few years of "debating" on platforms to put my (and many others) side up. If remain had won I would probably have called it a day. I nearly did a couple of years ago because I had grown tired. Is it the right decision. Neither you or I know that which is the problem with the whole debate of one side painting pretty pictures and the other side destroying the pictures. Neither of them knew and we don't know. I hope I have made the right choice.
One thing you can see though is that the university cities were nearly all expected to be remainers whether slight or larger. Newcastle was expected to be 60% remain, Lincoln was expected to be low fifties remain. Newcastle's result with a narrow victory and Lincoln voting to leave says to me that the students didn't turn out to vote. And if that is the case then people should be asking them why not rather than accusing older people of making a decision. Why did those university areas with thousands of virtually 90% remainers in the campus demographic not turn out?
Excuse me Impsaint - where have I called you selfish? I haven't said that. I've just re-read my post and you have grabbed the stick right at the wrong end. I was saying that I was being selfish because of an immediate affect to me, not you being selfish.
I mean a second one to remain or leave the UK. They can then apply for membership to the EU if they leave.
Ah right . I read somewhere else this MAY happen ( Before the result ) . It was mentioned that currently Oil prices are 1/2 down on what they were at the last vote for independence + re-applying would mean accepting the Euro . Not sure what the latter would in fact mean .
nail hit firmly on the head there. I said earlier that no-one bar a small minority would have been bothered about having a referendum if Europe and our government had accepted that the way freedom of movement of labour was working was not working for many. Even just tinkering and altering it slightly would have helped but the EU stance of No we will not discuss the subject for all those years allied with our government's reluctance or ignorance to discuss the issue just meant that the pot got hotter and hotter and simmered and finally got to the boiling point. The "warsaw" comment isn't really about feeling like you're living in Warsaw or hearing foreign accents. It is when people would say to politician they are taking over the council estates (of course an exaggeration) the politicians denied that they were even getting council houses when the reality was that we know who is moving into our street. How can a politician tell me they aren't getting a council house when 3 have moved in (that was 2008) 1 in 3 houses on my street now is Eastern European. Many are nice and pleasant young families. We get on but a few are 3 generations in a small house that is unsuitable for 9 or 10 people. It was the lies and denials as well as refusal to budge publicly by the EU that led to yesterday. Hopefully more politicians will listen to what people are saying in the future like John Mann has and even Corbyn has said this morning. Corbyn however should not try and tie in the austerity and cuts to this. This all started under Blair. The cuts are just something that makes people a bit angrier about what started back then.
Just woken up after a late, late night counting votes. I am still a little surprised by the result and it was not the outcome I voted for. However, it's still not clear what impact this will have on our lives, businesses and the future of this great country. Despite all of the debates and arguments I believe that unfortunately the voters were on the whole more confused than they were a year ago on which way to vote. On a brighter note Kent is crying out for a new hospital having seen many closures and cost cutting exercises over a number of years. If I remember the brexit campaign add correctly, the weekly £350 million that we sent to the EU is the equivalent of a new hospital a week. This is fantastic news, all these new hospitals and a health service we can be proud off. (Already proud of the hard working doctors and nurses, not so much the way it is run).............oh wait a minute, was that put together by politicians and we won't see a penny of that 'saving' re invested in anything worthwhile. Oh well, we can always hope.
