LEAVE OR REMAIN

Portsmouth and Southampton, two of our major ports, both predicted to vote leave. 60/40 and 55/45.

 

That's it. Attack the British population. They disagree with you, so they must all be mad.

 

My spreadsheet has slightly different with Portsmouth being 52% leave and Southampton 48%.

 

David Davies is loving it. Grinning like a Cheshire cat. Next Tory leader there

 

Result number 10 of 382...


South Tyneside

Leave - 49,065
Remain - 30,014

Turnout: 68%

 

The speed of declarations picking up now so I won't be able to keep them all up. Also moving from the desk to my bed.

Dundee just voted remain with 60%.

 

Kettering where there are a lot of factories that "can't get British workers" votes massively to leave.

 

32,800,000 people voted.

 

Afraid so. Makes no sense at all handing the most important decision of a generation over to the ill informed, the angry and the ignorant.

 

A nuanced centre-right leave reasoning was totally fumbled by Johnson (to the point he was practically shelved come the crunch), and on the left suppressed by Corbin's heeding to the party line; leaving no leaders for many liberal leavers to rally behind. Which is great for isolated independent thinking; but perhaps not great for galvanising an alternative to what the demagogue Farage re-emerged with, when he latterly stepped into the vaccum that those two or others could have filled. I think quite a lot of potential Leavers wouldn't of liked the smell of that fellow traveller's breath.

EDIT: WOW things are shifting!! Kinda worried now

 

Well that's something I didn't expect to see tonight.

 

Its called democracy. The fact that you think people are misinformed is part of the problem. People don't need to be informed of anything when they have personally experienced being turfed out of their jobs and then had to listen to politicians say it is all about immigrants when it isn't, it is about immigration.

Nothing to do with the people, everything to do with jobs. They should have listened instead properly and realised it is not about the people coming in and everything to do with the policies that have pushed people out of work.

 

Don't be so hard on yourself!

 

? Thats harsh. I'm not ignorant or ill informed. Bloody angry at times though.

On a serious note, who should be making this decision, if not the population with all its flaws?

 

Amazing!

 

UKIP didn't go from 1 million votes to 4 million votes because people liked UKIPs policies. They liked one policy and the more the main parties ignored that policy those people feel they have no choice but to vote UKIP/Leave.

I don't want to vote UKIP, I want to vote Tory. Labour working class don't want to vote UKIP they want to vote Labour but when you are left feeling you have no choice then a lot of them voted UKIP.

If the Tories hadn't offered the referendum UKIP would have hit 6 million at teh last election and we would have had a coalition.

If we vote to remain tonight UKIP will reach minimum 7m in 2020 and quite possibly become the second largest party in terms of seats, maybe even win the whole thing. They don't need many more to go over to them to turn all those seconds in the last election into wins and all those that went from UKIP back to Tory to get the referendum will go back to UKIP.

Leaving might be the lesser of 2 evils. Do you want UKIP in power? So many people have misjudged the mood of the lower paid working class. Surely you are realising now that they weren't just bothered about foreigners.