Off Topic European Debate Thread

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In, out, or undecided?

  • In

    Votes: 12 27.3%

  • Out

    Votes: 27 61.4%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 5 11.4%
  • Total voters
    44
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Mind the gap! said:
Well if the head of the bank of England, most business people, politicians, political parties, multiple economists, the treasury and pretty much every scientist, engineer and university isn't enough then I'm not sure
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it is not most it is some and definitely not every scientist as the EU STRIPS £3B FROM THEIR BUDGET AS IT feels they are least in need!

Mind the gap! said:
Apparently despite being stable now and a remain vote hardly affecting anything an apocalypse will happen if we vote remain[/COLOR]
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C O NG R A T U L A T I O N S you have seen the light ...Apparently despite being stable now and a remain vote hardly affecting anything an apocalypse will happen if we vote remain
 
banksyisourhero said:
Perhaps if we didn't put the money in in the first place we would have 3 times as much to fund things.. The deficit you refer to was caused by the Labour government you love so much borrowing billions of pounds to 'invest' that we didn't have, they directly created the deficit with no infrastructure or development to show for it.!
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and don't forget the trillions of oil revenue that just evaporated
 
Mind the gap! said:
Tbh it is very shortsighted to expect an out vote to have a major impact on immigration. However false immigration promises are a vote winner as they sound convincing if you don't pick them apart.
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You have had every opportunity to pick things apart and you have come up with precisely nothing.

Just like Cameron, when he's asked a direct question he faffs around and huffs and puffs. The man is a liar and has been proved to be a liar.

Again you say if we have control of our borders we still won't be able to control immigration! its bullshit, you have been pulled multiple times on it and you have never yet given anywhere near close to an acceptable explanation how you come to this conclusion.

Vote out and control our borders.
 
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The poster you put up was ridiculous, I put that one up to demonstrate a ridiculous individual giving a counter argument, let's keep it serious....<ok>
 
Mind the gap! said:
Why would the bank of England want waged to remain low. Why don't we put up minimum wage if we are that concerned about low wages rather than ****flinging the blame at immigrants.
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Businesses want low wages to keep their profits as high as possible. This can be done by using immigrants to keep costs down including the wages of British workers.

One of your top remainers Theresa May agrees immigration drives down wages.
 
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Mind the gap! said:
Tbh it is very shortsighted to expect an out vote to have a major impact on immigration. However false immigration promises are a vote winner as they sound convincing if you don't pick them apart.
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Could you explain altering how 450 million people can live and work in the UK will not have a significant impact on immigration?

However false immigration promises are a vote winner as they sound convincing if you don't pick them apart ... Yes David Cameron lied to the populace of the UK when he pledged to reduce immigration to tens of thousands. A fact.

In an earlier post - Could you articulate what proper workers rights and stuff are?

And Why will the EU stop trading with one of its biggest markets (the UK) if its leaves the EU?

Easy questions.
 
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banksyisourhero said:
You have had every opportunity to pick things apart and you have come up with precisely nothing.

Just like Cameron, when he's asked a direct question he faffs around and huffs and puffs. The man is a liar and has been proved to be a liar.

Again you say if we have control of our borders we still won't be able to control immigration! its bullshit, you have been pulled multiple times on it and you have never yet given anywhere near close to an acceptable explanation how you come to this conclusion.

Vote out and control our borders.
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Which country do you want to model post brexit on (baring immigration in mind)
 
Cliftonville said:
Could you explain altering how 450 million people can live and work in the UK will not have a significant impact on immigration?

However false immigration promises are a vote winner as they sound convincing if you don't pick them apart ... Yes David Cameron lied to the populace of the UK when he pledged to reduce immigration to tens of thousands. A fact.

In an earlier post - Could you articulate what proper workers rights and stuff are?

And Why will the EU stop trading with one of its biggest markets (the UK) if its leaves the EU?

Easy questions.
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I am arguing that a post brexit immigration policy with the EU will be largely unchanged.

The EU won't want to stop trading with us but they won't want to sell themselves cheaply to us and give us a better deal than on the table to EU members. We need them more than they need us and so negotiations post brxit could only go one way
 
Mind the gap! said:
I am arguing that a post brexit immigration policy with the EU will be largely unchanged.

The EU won't want to stop trading with us but they won't want to sell themselves cheaply to us and give us a better deal than on the table to EU members. We need them more than they need us and so negotiations post brxit could only go one way
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Your posts are uneven.

Why would post brexit immigration policy be totally unchanged?

From the earlier post - Could you articulate what proper workers rights and stuff are?

The UK's trading with the EU runs at a deficit. That deficit is billions. Are you suggesting the EU would make their exports to one of its largest markets more expensive, and thus less competitive?
 
Mind the gap! said:
We need them more than they need us and so negotiations post brxit could only go one way
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I think they may need their 2nd highest net contributor more than you think. A lot of commentators are suggesting the EU will collapse anyway regardless of our decision in just a few years. its monetary policies are unsustainable.

We either jump ship now and swim to shore while its still possible or we stay and drown when it all goes down.

Cliftonville has asked you and I will ask again, Can you tell me how the sports direct workers 'rights and stuff' is being protected by the EU at this moment, in this country.??
 
Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages.
Yet Union bosses urge to vote remain.
Still if you were paid over £100k a year you wouldn't care what happens.
I hope lower paid employees work it out for themselves.
It should be very obvious to all that big business love uncontrolled immigration but let's keep it simple, for mtg.
I employ a uk cleaner who I pay £5 an hour MORE than 2 Polish cleaners offered to me by uk agencies.
That's my choice mtg - I hate uk bosses milking the system treating our own with contempt.
 
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banksyisourhero said:
I think they may need their 2nd highest net contributor more than you think. A lot of commentators are suggesting the EU will collapse anyway regardless of our decision in just a few years. its monetary policies are unsustainable.

We either jump ship now and swim to shore while its still possible or we stay and drown when it all goes down.

Cliftonville has asked you and I will ask again, Can you tell me how the sports direct workers 'rights and stuff' is being protected by the EU at this moment, in this country.??
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I would ask as somebody who works in social care. How are British care assistants, personal assistants and support workers rights being protected?

My answer is they are not. Their wages are being driven down. The voids created are being back filled by agency staff right across the country who are often immigrants who will not have contracts, will receive no sick pay, holiday pay etc. The EU is not protecting British workers, or those from the EU in the care sector. This is also leading to poorer services for societies most vulnerable. Its immoral.
 
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