Off Topic European Debate Thread

I'm really at a loss to why people keep asking him to explain, when his response to one post was your welcome.

This to me shows a complete disrespect to the people who fought for people to live the way they do today.

 

GERMANY is in a panic. France is rattled. Downing Street is close to full-scale meltdown.
Suddenly it seems Britain could be out of the European Union in just ten days with terrifying consequences — not for us but for the EU itself.
Most Tories want to leave. But now polls show angry Labour voters are swinging heavily against their own party and backing Brexit.
Blunt-speaking Labour MP John Mann summed up the mood among millions of EU citizens, saying: “Europe isn’t working for working people.”
As the public mood grows increasingly hostile, the fear in Brussels is not that Britain would sink without THEM, but that the European Union cannot survive without US.
Having wrecked the household finances of 500million citizens with the catastrophic euro, this serially incompetent political machine is breaking apart at the seams.
Why else would German newspapers, prompted by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, start pleading with us to stay?
David Cameron and George Osborne claim every world expert supports Remain.
But listen to some real hands-on experts — such as JCB digger giant Lord Bamford and vacuum cleaner tycoon James Dyson, who have put their factories and their fortunes on the line by backing Brexit.
Sir James has a colourful word for the Eurocrat threats to punish the UK if we vote Out.
“Cobblers,” he says. “The EU would be committing commercial suicide.”
Lord Bamford agrees: “I am very confident we can stand on our own two feet.”
And billionaire George Soros told The Wall Street Journal: “If Britain leaves, it could unleash a general exodus and the disintegration of the European Union will become practically unavoidable.”
Barclays predicted the Pound would fall briefly before becoming Europe’s “safe haven” currency as the euro sank.
Bloomberg financial news agency forecasts contagion across Europe as increasingly angry voters turn on Brussels.
A Leave vote, it says, would incite “some of Europe’s richest economies to reconsider their relationship with the bloc.
“The Pound could soon end up rebounding relative to the euro.”
This referendum is not about Boris Johnson’s love life or a few million quid extra for the NHS. It is about
Britain’s future as a free, sovereign nation in control of its own affairs.
Do we want to float free and flourish — or lock ourselves into a plodding socialist monster at odds with 21st Century reality?
If Europe is the future, where are its life-changing equivalents of Apple, Microsoft, Netflix and Amazon?
Where is its Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Elon Musk?
While the iPhone alone has lifted millions out of poverty, the EU destroys subsistence farmers by dumping surpluses. Silicon Valley has created more global growth, communications and commerce than the entire continent of Europe.
Its disruptive innovations would have been throttled at birth in Europe — as France is now vainly attempting with Uber car-sharing.
In Brussels, “Anglo-Saxon enterprise” is a dirty word — a threat to jobs and job security.
That’s pretty rich from a job-destroying Goliath which has inflicted mass unemployment and economic misery across 28 member states.
Thanks to the euro, millions of young men and women in Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy may never work again. EU leaders are playing with fire. Indeed, the eurozone is already ablaze. Greece is finished. Italy is close behind.
When this built temple to the grand EU Project collapses, every member state will be hurt, whether in the single currency or not.
We are witnessing the “burning building with no exits” predicted by former Tory leader William Hague.
He was right about the inferno. But we do have an exit.
Next week’s referendum offers a once-in-a-lifetime escape. Inexplicably, David Cameron wants us to slam the door shut.

 

I'm guilty of believing him before, so now I won't agree with him again

 

It is exactly that but he's not the only one, Young people have no idea of the sacrifices their Grandparents made for them to sneer at them with utter disdain.. he gets a vote to place us in position where we and he wouldn't get a vote anymore.

 

The Eurozone is in decline.

Leaving Britain's future in the hands of 27 other countries is no future at all.

 

I am on about the economy and investment from large international countries that arise from being in the Eu not the money going to and from the eu

 

The army veteran guilt trick is exploited by the far right. Yes of course I am indebted to those who fought in both world wars but that has nothing to do with the Eu debate.

The world wars were about land and territory whilst the Eu is about progressing Europe.

The fighting in world wars card is a poor move by the out campaign and disrespectful to those who fought for us.

 

This is an example of what young people think of other peoples opinions, I sometimes wish they had some experience of what their needy little selfish lives would have been like had these 'oldies' not defended their right to free speech often giving their lives to do so! Imagine if this rant referred to black or gay people it would be considered a hate crime, there is no 'fun or irony' here, its just a bitter little spoilt brat who's scared He's not going to get his own way.


Old people, in their Volvos. Old people, with their really loud TVs. Old people, who bought a house for £60 somehow and don't understand why you and the boyfriend-who-you're-not-married-to-but-we'll-not-get-into-that-now can't buy something for your own. How often do you touch your curtains? Old people touch their curtains 50, maybe 100 times more often than that. I touch my curtains once in the morning to open them and once in the evening to close them. Old people basically feel unanchored when they are not touching their curtains, peering outwards. Old people have worn little welts in their curtain hems where they have been touching them all the time. If you leave two old people in a room for eight hours they will only say six words to each other, in between all the persistent curtain touching, and those words will be "kids are out there again, playing". Old people, with their 6pm bedtimes and their sincere consumption of prunes. Old people, politely clapping in the audience of Countdown. Take an old person to a restaurant and they will read the menu for anything between 20 minutes and an hour and a half, ask what a prawn cocktail is as if anyone doesn't know what a prawn cocktail is, then eat two bites of steak and kidney pie then say they are done. You will have to go home early from the restaurant because the old person needs an insane amount of special medical bannisters around them before they can ****, and now they need to ****, so you need to drive them home because they don't trust taxi drivers. Old people, who want to vote out of Europe for no particular reason but who ****ing cares anyway because by the time the changes come into effect they will all be gone to the void. Old people, who took all the cream and now want to put a cap on the thin milk that they left behind. Old people, so help me I am coming for you. I am sitting in your special seats on the bus. I am buying up all the Werther's and carriage clocks before you can get your gnarled hands on them. Next time one of you ****ers asks me to help you with something on a high shelf in a supermarket I will put it on a higher shelf, where you can't even get at it with your sticks.

 

Utter **** again.. They fought for democracy and free speech so you can express your opinions on here freely and you intend to give it away with the last vote you may ever get and your too naive to understand that.

This from someone who is quite happy to play the 'little islander' card and the 'racist **** flinger' card..


Read and understand Wiz's post MTG..

 

I think my Grandfather and Uncle would have been disgusted by the EU.

 

The table of contribution to the EU..

 

“The one thing that offends me more than anything else, when being spoken to by the Remain campaign, is to be referred to as a little Islander. I am not, nor is anyone else in the Leave campaign. We are international people.

“We dislike the European Union because they are stopping us from doing full business. We want to bring the other 165 trading nations in the world together. We are going to embrace them and make the United Kingdom a really powerful international, industrial, manufacturing and sector-related business hub.”

- David Buik, 53 years of experience in the City of London

 

That is complete and utter bollocks, you've tried the race card on here and now you're trying to deflect with a complete bollocks reply.
When this thread started I was in the undecided and to be honest I kept an open mind, but I've been disgusted by the IN brigade trying to scare monger the out. Yes both sides are at it, but between them and you I'm firmly in the out camp.

 

The out campaign scaremongers more with blatant lies such as £350 million a week on NHS and millions of Turkish migrants coming here. Both of which are utter bullshit

 

Food for thought, a sign of how bad Brexit is for the economy

 

Put evidence on here where the leave campaign have stated the £350m will be spent on the NHS?

 

Concept of money being spent on NHS instead of going to the EU

 

Their campaign bus is based around the concept

 

No it isn't and you have a strange idea of what facts are.. from todays Sky news.

Stop peddling lies.!! I said put evidence

Again the vital information is hidden is small text at the bottom of the visual..
(Stock markets in France, Italy and Spain actually lost more than the FTSE)


The FTSE 100 has slumped below the 6,000 threshold for the first time in four months, as growing concern about the EU referendum causes jitters in global markets.

More than £30bn was wiped off the index as it finished a fourth session in negative territory, following further opinion polls which indicate strong support for Brexit and The Sun's decision to throw its support behind the Out campaign.

In London, the FTSE fell 2% to close at 5,924 - and other European markets also ended the day in the red, including the CAC 40 in France and Germany's DAX.

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Stock markets in France, Italy and Spain actually lost more than the FTSE