Off Topic EU Referendum
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The problem we have is that on one hand we stay and be governed by the EU and on the other hand we leave and total power goes to David Cameron.
Catch 22
Catch 22
And then have Gorgeous George, Prince Philip wannabe Boris or the man who shat on education Govey???? Shudders!
He's actually right on this.
The EU has stifled development of meds, both Natural and Chemical by red tape.
I hope David Milliband picks up the mess of his party and leads us out of this crap at the next general election.
The problem we have is that 99% of our politicians are ****ers and useless to boot!
We need to take a leaf our of Canada and appoint politicians to the right departments based upon their qualifications ie: having someone who worked high up in education run Education etc
You guys. It's announced foreign investors have taken 65bn away from our economy cause you tits want to play house with the conservatives, and you moan about 161m going to the EU...
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Disagree. The red tape you refer to is mostly testing and proof. Most alternative medicines are, by and large, no more effective than a placebo. The regulations that currently exist are simply to try and stop charlatans selling tat to average people pretending it's a cure to something. If they work then they whould prove it, if you can't prove it then go away.
Genuinely think this isn't tightly regulated enough personally.
You guys. It's announced foreign investors have taken 65bn away from our economy cause you tits want to play house with the conservatives, and you moan about 161m going to the EU...
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Funny that, £65 billion, that's the same figure that the Bank of England estimated had been added to the British economy thanks to their QE exercise 2 years ago.
He told his delegates at the EU parliament that this was his last speech and everyone clapped and jeered...his face was a picture .
Nobody should want a racist representing them......It was a good night from him and a good riddance from them....
Seriously, do you want to get me started on quantitative easing?!
Oh go on then, I was chatting to a mate a couple of months ago and mentioned QE but he didn't know about it so I do wonder how many people take notice, I also liked the idea that a government could just print enough money and then pay off it's debt, it's a fairly extreme economic theory and no country has considered it or would try it I think but it would be interesting to see.
The below article sums up my opinion on the EU referendum. Although I would say I don't think politicians are intelligent enough to decide what is the best for Britain either.
http://gu.com/p/4jymx/sbl
http://gu.com/p/4jymx/sbl
Norway did have the small advantage of a massive sovereign wealth fund from North Sea Oil. So unless we get fracking (and start spending most of the windfall on flood defences) it's not really a valid comparison.
I'm not sure I get the comparisons to Norway. They are not in the EU and do ok, fair enough, but they are in the EEA and enjoy a free trade agreement with the countries of the EU. Now that would be all well and good for the UK but the 'price' of that free trade deal is to also have free movement of labour which is what seems to be motivating most of the Brexiters to want to vote leave in the first place. So if we are voting out to stop an influx of labour then we won't be wanting to have the free trade deal and the free movement of labour that would come with it, which means there will be tariffs and charges and bureaucracy on all goods and services bought and sold. So the things we buy from Europe will be more expensive and our living standards fall, and more importantly the things we sell will be more expensive, less of them bought meaning fewer of them made and fewer jobs in the UK. It would likely lower the value of our currency too making our money go less far and further lowering living standards.
I see people keep saying things like, "but we won't just stop trading with countries in the EU if we leave". Nobody is saying we will, but there will be tariffs on what we buy and sell and that will be economically problematic. Some people are underestimating what difference the free trade deal makes to our economy IMHO.
The other thing that grinds my gears is the trying to play on peoples' fear by saying Europe is going to be a federal superstate so we should leave. IF that were ever proposed, and it is decades off in my opinion if it were to ever happen at all, then there would certainly be a referendum on it and we can make a decision to leave or stay then. It is almost being implied by Brexiters that by voting remain now you are authorising being part of this mythical superstate. You are not.
I started out a few months ago with an undecided and open mind, but I just haven't heard a convincing argument as to why we should leave so I will be voting to remain. The other 'issues' like the free movement of labour, the EU being bureaucratic institution (yes it could be a hell of a lot better) or the sovereignty argument don't bother me too much, but economically I'm convinced leaving would be a disaster.
I see people keep saying things like, "but we won't just stop trading with countries in the EU if we leave". Nobody is saying we will, but there will be tariffs on what we buy and sell and that will be economically problematic. Some people are underestimating what difference the free trade deal makes to our economy IMHO.
The other thing that grinds my gears is the trying to play on peoples' fear by saying Europe is going to be a federal superstate so we should leave. IF that were ever proposed, and it is decades off in my opinion if it were to ever happen at all, then there would certainly be a referendum on it and we can make a decision to leave or stay then. It is almost being implied by Brexiters that by voting remain now you are authorising being part of this mythical superstate. You are not.
I started out a few months ago with an undecided and open mind, but I just haven't heard a convincing argument as to why we should leave so I will be voting to remain. The other 'issues' like the free movement of labour, the EU being bureaucratic institution (yes it could be a hell of a lot better) or the sovereignty argument don't bother me too much, but economically I'm convinced leaving would be a disaster.
Somebody actually talking sense rather than media-fuelled emotion.
i work with lots of economists and all of them think we will be (financially) worse off as a nation if we leave.
People voting purely based on a vendetta against the Tories and/or Cameron are completely missing the point. But it is too late to even try to educate the masses.
Somebody actually talking sense rather than media-fuelled emotion.
i work with lots of economists and all of them think we will be (financially) worse off as a nation if we leave.
People voting purely based on a vendetta against the Tories and/or Cameron are completely missing the point. But it is too late to even try to educate the masses.
So in my time we had no chance of being successful , the masses did not know what an economist was