Off Topic EU Referendum

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KazakhToon said:
Just did a search for your Coudenhove-Kalergi plan. Google frontpage includes Wikipedia (fair enough), Western Spring, Fellowship of the Minds, the Euro Probe, Info Wars, Vigilant Citizen, Renegade Tribune, My Europe and the BNP website. And Youtube. All but 2 of those are white supremacist and/or conspiracy sites. It also suggests that a race can be made easier to control by polluting its purity - that didn't seem to be an obstacle in 1930s Germany did it?

Please tell me you're basing your opinions (and your choice next Thursday) on something other than the rambling hoaxes of swivel-eyed nutjobs.
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The Kalergi plan may be mentioned on Nationalist websites but the quotes speak for themselves. They have disguised it now as 'mass immigration' but demographics and breeding rates are destiny - they do not lie. Once German has passed the demographic Rubicon in a few decades it can never be altered and the Left/Green parties over there speak of it with glee. I'm not joking about that - look it up for yourself. It will never be the same. The China-Tibet comparison is scarily accurate.
 
General Lee Speaking said:
It's one man. You will find somebody promoting any view point you can think of out there. Take a balanced view.
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They think the same as Sutherland. This man quite openly says Germany needs 9.5 million immigrants from now to 2025 - mainly from the Middle East and Africa. The country cannot survive that - simple. Listen to Timmermans quotes on how diversity will 'come to all places, even the smallest' and how politicians shouldn't be teaching populations about 'a past that never existed' - which is basically saying there is no such thing as ethnic populations - we as far as the west is concerned.
 
Well, I've had a trawl through the first 5 pages of Google and it's nazi conspiracy theories all the way down (apart from one Russia Today article about a UKIP parliamentary candidate being kicked out for referring to it in a tweet). If you'd kindly find a source which isn't a nazi conspiracy site I'd be interested in reading more. Otherwise I'd suggest it's about as reliable as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were (i.e. complete rubbish designed to promote hate and inter ethnic violence).
 
KazakhToon said:
Well, I've had a trawl through the first 5 pages of Google and it's nazi conspiracy theories all the way down (apart from one Russia Today article about a UKIP parliamentary candidate being kicked out for referring to it in a tweet). If you'd kindly find a source which isn't a nazi conspiracy site I'd be interested in reading more. Otherwise I'd suggest it's about as reliable as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were (i.e. complete rubbish designed to promote hate and inter ethnic violence).
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You can read it in his book 'Practical Idealism' - he wasn't coy about his views.

Kalergi plan or not - if you think 9.5 million immigrants from the 3rd world with their breeding patterns will not destroy Germany as we know it - I don't what else to say. The EU, heads of state, even the Pope coming out with this ageing population bullshit and how we must import millions of people rather than encourage Western birthrates - well it really does start alarm bell ringing tbh. It will change the West as we know it and not for the better.
 
Birthrates drop when standard of living improves. We're not having as many babies in Europe because we know the babies we do have will for the most part survive into adulthood. We're not ethnically unique in this respect - it's happening in economically advanced nations all over the world. There's academic research on this matter which suggests fertility amongst immigrant populations converges with that of the host country: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1728-4457.2012.00496.x/abstract It suggests that increased education of the daughters of immigrants plays a part in this.
 
Edit: forget it. It's not worth getting het up over some internet forum discussion. Good luck to you and I hope we vote to stay in.
 
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KazakhToon said:
Edit: forget it. It's not worth getting het up over some internet forum discussion. Good luck to you and I hope we vote to stay in.
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Its not (worth getting heated over), and I must admit I am rather keen on winding people up! (more so on the other eu thread!

I do think birth rates need to drop. obviously if the human population continues to grow at such an obscene rate, there wont be the energy to heat us all, the food to feed us all. Depleted fish stocks, countless amount of animals going extinct, Forrest being torn down, Ice caps melting, the levels of CO2 each human is responsible for, the average person living in the UK emits 9.66 million metric tones of Co2 in their life. therefore the population needs a cull. I think there is a natural way of doing this, instead of the genghis khan way! but it does go a bit off topic.

But the human populatation went from 500 million in the year 1000 to 2 billion in the year 1900, so 1.5 billion in 900 years. From 1900 - 2015 a space of 115 years we have gone from 2b to 5.8billion and counting. That level of population growth is simply not sustainable
 
KazakhToon said:
Birthrates drop when standard of living improves. We're not having as many babies in Europe because we know the babies we do have will for the most part survive into adulthood. We're not ethnically unique in this respect - it's happening in economically advanced nations all over the world. There's academic research on this matter which suggests fertility amongst immigrant populations converges with that of the host country: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1728-4457.2012.00496.x/abstract It suggests that increased education of the daughters of immigrants plays a part in this.
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This isn't a recent discovery.

When Conficous was asked for advice as to how to redcue birth rates in a particular province of China, he said "Educate them". Asked if he had any other advice, he said: "Enrich them".

Not that it's important so far as the brexit debate goes. People who are afraid of brown people will fear them whether the risk is real or not.
 
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Freddd said:
This isn't a recent discovery.

When Conficous was asked for advice as to how to redcue birth rates in a particular province of China, he said "Educate them". Asked if he had any other advice, he said: "Enrich them".

Not that it's important so far as the brexit debate goes. People who are afraid of brown people will fear them whether the risk is real or not.
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So your admitting they are a risk?
 
KazakhToon said:
Edit: forget it. It's not worth getting het up over some internet forum discussion. Good luck to you and I hope we vote to stay in.
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Vote the way your heart/brain tells you mate - I'm not judging anyone here, just putting my own ten pence worth across.

In regard to birthrates in general (not just an EU issue), yes they have dropped slightly but to then import millions of people from parts of the third world such as Pakistan and Bangladesh and parts of Africa, where they have had a population explosion (explosion still doesn't do it justice) over the last few decades - should not be encouraged - thats all I'm saying. Educating their daughters to not have a whole litter of children could be troublesome.

When the Islamic population from the 1960's onwards has doubled every decade within Britain that is a major problem - but that is another issue.
 
Freddd said:
This isn't a recent discovery.

When Conficous was asked for advice as to how to redcue birth rates in a particular province of China, he said "Educate them". Asked if he had any other advice, he said: "Enrich them".

Not that it's important so far as the brexit debate goes. People who are afraid of brown people will fear them whether the risk is real or not.
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I'm not sure why but this made me laugh out loud <laugh>

Why has the whole Brexit debate been reduced to mainly immigration issues countrywide I wonder?
 
Toon_Man_Sam1 said:
Its not (worth getting heated over), and I must admit I am rather keen on winding people up! (more so on the other eu thread!

I do think birth rates need to drop. obviously if the human population continues to grow at such an obscene rate, there wont be the energy to heat us all, the food to feed us all. Depleted fish stocks, countless amount of animals going extinct, Forrest being torn down, Ice caps melting, the levels of CO2 each human is responsible for, the average person living in the UK emits 9.66 million metric tones of Co2 in their life. therefore the population needs a cull. I think there is a natural way of doing this, instead of the genghis khan way! but it does go a bit off topic.

But the human populatation went from 500 million in the year 1000 to 2 billion in the year 1900, so 1.5 billion in 900 years. From 1900 - 2015 a space of 115 years we have gone from 2b to 5.8billion and counting. That level of population growth is simply not sustainable
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Similar to what a recent Dan Brown book was based upon. Namely that the population is increasing at a rate which the planet cannot sustain. The book was simply fictional but the principle isn't.
 
Toon_Man_Sam1 said:
Its not (worth getting heated over), and I must admit I am rather keen on winding people up! (more so on the other eu thread!

I do think birth rates need to drop. obviously if the human population continues to grow at such an obscene rate, there wont be the energy to heat us all, the food to feed us all. Depleted fish stocks, countless amount of animals going extinct, Forrest being torn down, Ice caps melting, the levels of CO2 each human is responsible for, the average person living in the UK emits 9.66 million metric tones of Co2 in their life. therefore the population needs a cull. I think there is a natural way of doing this, instead of the genghis khan way! but it does go a bit off topic.

But the human populatation went from 500 million in the year 1000 to 2 billion in the year 1900, so 1.5 billion in 900 years. From 1900 - 2015 a space of 115 years we have gone from 2b to 5.8billion and counting. That level of population growth is simply not sustainable
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More than 5.8 billion mate, passed 7 billion on my 30th birthday (31st October 2011) and this - fairly accurate - predictor has it on the verge of 7.5 billion

http://www.worldometers.info/

It is worth noting that the amount of energy people in this country use dwarfs that used by people in African countries, just before we get too comfortable on our high horses regarding their population growth.
 
haslam said:
More than 5.8 billion mate, passed 7 billion on my 30th birthday (31st October 2011) and this - fairly accurate - predictor has it on the verge of 7.5 billion

http://www.worldometers.info/

It is worth noting that the amount of energy people in this country use dwarfs that used by people in African countries, just before we get too comfortable on our high horses regarding their population growth.
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I mentally put the pause after 'dwarves' and it really changed the context somewhat...
 
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haslam said:
More than 5.8 billion mate, passed 7 billion on my 30th birthday (31st October 2011) and this - fairly accurate - predictor has it on the verge of 7.5 billion

http://www.worldometers.info/

It is worth noting that the amount of energy people in this country use dwarfs that used by people in African countries, just before we get too comfortable on our high horses regarding their population growth.
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And our use is dwarfed by america and china which have much higher populations.
 
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