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moreinjuredthanowen said:
Better wake up to the reality.

Utd have a decent side, they are only a couple signings away from being there. frnakly van gaal totally stuffed them up with negativity.

thier defense is actually quite decent, they could do with a CM and they have lots of options in attack even if mourinho changes it up.
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We have a more than decent side.

Van Gaal was bailed out by some young players forced in by injury hitting a purple patch. Their actual senior squad is awful.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
anything could happen... theres too many clubs with expectations and too few berths for them to end up in. there iwll be fall out.... but given utd and city are new managers as is koeman... well... i doubt it will be them.

wenger is under pressure but he's bought a good un so far already.
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Exactly.
So why write us off with such certainty?
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
it might be cheslea for one as conte has a bit to do.

for arsneal not to be in it wel... it will require a spectacular mess from the current set up. They are probably one striker and maybe a CB now form being up there.

Bellarin, ozil, sanchez, carzorla, zhaka, koseilny, cech.. all much much better players than ours.
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Koscielny and Cech are done. Cazorla would have been a great player if Wenger had ever played him in position. Sanchez is more stroppy than Sturridge has ever been in his life but never gets called on it [HASHTAG]#racism[/HASHTAG]
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
It doesn't hurt though...

seriously... can you deny:

That a utd team with a proper manager who doesn't pick Fellini and 3 good signing won't be in the mix?
That pep with a front 3 of aguero aubameyang and de bruyne would be pretty hot?
That arsenal are retaining wenger and he's wlays likely to be in top 4 with the squad they have?
That spurs have a very solid unit in the back 6 (Gk, back 4, DCM) have eriksen allia and kane and are prob only a couple good signings away form a real good outfit?
that despite the issues and unknowns cheslea still have quite a side.. (could be 5th)

LFC as we speak have a lot of work to do so I have put us 6th.. thats above everton with koeman, above bilic and west ham and Leicester and ranieri... thats actually not being pessimistic.

Klopp has some decent players but quite a lot of work to do. on a day we can win games against this lot above but over 38 we are far too inconsistent. We have a new GK, is he better than mingolet? we don't know. e have a new CB, jimmy calls him error prone.. he's a unit though. we've 4 strikers which is good, but only 3 second line players so thats not enough and the CM area is a shambles. We can strengthen but that could be treading water here. We can have 25 players but if the others have beter players they have better players!

BTW 6th or 5th is improving on 7th and 8th... we'd all like to jump the queue but its not going to magically happen. it will require huge work.
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You never know, we could do a Leicester next season..<ok>

If we try to look objectively at our performances last season:

In the cups (COC and Europa): we did well. Relatively speaking as we constatntly had to retrieve some poor away performances by some spectacular ones at home, no doubt helped by our crowd and also by the oppositions stage fright.

In the league: if we are honest we did no better than Rodgers. The reason is that we kept losing points away from home.

So there is reason for optimism as usual, but objectively there is nothing in our performances in the league which showed that Klopp will take us to the title next season.
 
@mito, I ain't saying it won't require "huge work" I'm saying JM is at OT after getting sacked at Chelsea, showed his vulnerability by taking the reigning champs to the relegation zone, he's got "huge work" to do.
Pep took over as manager at his previous two clubs and inherited league winning teams, City is also "huge work" in progress next season.
Spurs had their best season in decades last season and it has yet to be proven it wasn't a flash in the pan, they imploded in the last few games and went from title outsiders to 3rd, "huge work" by Poch to make top 4 a regular occurrence at Spurs.
Arsenal are tradionally top 4 favourites but unless Wenger spends a lot of money wisely this summer they will start to go backwards rapidly, its almost happened a few times but they've managed end of season surges.

I'm not now saying nor have ever said "next season is our season" but I'm optimistic that there'll be a vast improvement in player personell and better results on a consistent basis next season.


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Page_Moss_Kopite said:
@mito, I ain't saying it won't require "huge work" I'm saying JM is at OT after getting sacked at Chelsea, showed his vulnerability by taking the reigning champs to the relegation zone, he's got "huge work" to do.
Pep took over as manager at his previous two clubs and inherited league winning teams, City is also "huge work" in progress next season.
Spurs had their best season in decades last season and it has yet to be proven it wasn't a flash in the pan, they imploded in the last few games and went from title outsiders to 3rd, "huge work" by Poch to make top 4 a regular occurrence at Spurs.
Arsenal are tradionally top 4 favourites but unless Wenger spends a lot of money wisely this summer they will start to go backwards rapidly, its almost happened a few times but they've managed end of season surges.

I'm not now saying nor have ever said "next season is our season" but I'm optimistic that there'll be a vast improvement in player personell and better results on a consistent basis next season.


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With you, Page <ok>
 
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Page_Moss_Kopite said:
@mito, I ain't saying it won't require "huge work" I'm saying JM is at OT after getting sacked at Chelsea, showed his vulnerability by taking the reigning champs to the relegation zone, he's got "huge work" to do.
Pep took over as manager at his previous two clubs and inherited league winning teams, City is also "huge work" in progress next season.
Spurs had their best season in decades last season and it has yet to be proven it wasn't a flash in the pan, they imploded in the last few games and went from title outsiders to 3rd, "huge work" by Poch to make top 4 a regular occurrence at Spurs.
Arsenal are tradionally top 4 favourites but unless Wenger spends a lot of money wisely this summer they will start to go backwards rapidly, its almost happened a few times but they've managed end of season surges.

I'm not now saying nor have ever said "next season is our season" but I'm optimistic that there'll be a vast improvement in player personell and better results on a consistent basis next season.


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It doesn't even need optimism. MITO is just doing one of his little WUMs. Being [HASHTAG]#neutral[/HASHTAG] Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea all have new managers who don't know their squads. If Wenger doesn't get off to a great start he is ****ed with the fans. And all of them are playing more games than us. Klopp will have time to be able to actually coach the players for the first time as manager.
 
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le astrotednaut said:
It doesn't even need optimism. MITO is just doing one of his little WUMs. Being [HASHTAG]#neutral[/HASHTAG] Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea all have new managers who don't know their squads. If Wenger doesn't get off to a great start he is ****ed with the fans. And all of them are playing more games than us. Klopp will have time to be able to actually coach the players for the first time as manager.
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Is this true? Whilst I agree that we should be optimistic, there is nothing in the performances in the league which should give us the huge optimism which some of us seem to have. He had time to look at our squad and he had the choice of bringing in players in the transfer window. He chose not to do anything except for Caulker.

I have to agree with MITO. Objectively (but Leicester!) I think our likely place is 6th. If we manage to get into top 4 we would have done extremely well.
 
carlthejackal said:
Is this true? Whilst I agree that we should be optimistic, there is nothing in the performances in the league which should give us the huge optimism which some of us seem to have. He had time to look at our squad and he had the choice of bringing in players in the transfer window. He chose not to do anything except for Caulker.

I have to agree with MITO. Objectively (but Leicester!) I think our likely place is 6th. If we manage to get into top 4 we would have done extremely well.
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Yeah, but this is football carl, not the referendum. There's no room for objectivity here. :)
 
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carlthejackal said:
Is this true? Whilst I agree that we should be optimistic, there is nothing in the performances in the league which should give us the huge optimism which some of us seem to have. He had time to look at our squad and he had the choice of bringing in players in the transfer window. He chose not to do anything except for Caulker.

I have to agree with MITO. Objectively (but Leicester!) I think our likely place is 6th. If we manage to get into top 4 we would have done extremely well.
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I felt that once we cleared the league cup final we did improve a bit. when we went to fa cup with a reserve team i felt he got his first team together and we did improve a bit.

Certainly we reduced (but could not eliminate) silly goals for set plays.

The reality is happy harry told us it was the worst lfc side ever and we were bang average..

He was right. our midfield in particular is best described as functional.

In fairness he tried for Teixteria and didn't get him.

He's tried for gotze and didn't get him.

We know the quality is low.

for me:

10th = poor but not unforeseen sadly
6th = good solid season
5th = very good
top 4 = amazing

the reality is everton have as good a team as us but not enough players up front yet. if koeman solidifies them they will be looking to top 8. Southampton need a new manager.. again if they do it right and keep players... west ham have a decent side (bit functional too and a solid counter attacking manager) Leicester have had some fun last year.. hunger is in question
not even mentioned stoke

So.

top 10

city
utd
arsenal
spurs (70plus points here)

chelsea (5th, not sure about conte and their defense yet)

LFC (i hope)

West ham
Everton
Leicester
Southampton
stoke (11th)

the top 4 will be well ahead but the rest.. anything could occur. we can't assume LFc are all that when the fact is as you say... we have to improve,, west ham, everton and Liecester are threats to us... thats bloody mid table <laugh>
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
I felt that once we cleared the league cup final we did improve a bit. when we went to fa cup with a reserve team i felt he got his first team together and we did improve a bit.

Certainly we reduced (but could not eliminate) silly goals for set plays.

The reality is happy harry told us it was the worst lfc side ever and we were bang average..

He was right. our midfield in particular is best described as functional.

In fairness he tried for Teixteria and didn't get him.

He's tried for gotze and didn't get him.

We know the quality is low.

for me:

10th = poor but not unforeseen sadly
6th = good solid season
5th = very good
top 4 = amazing

the reality is everton have as good a team as us but not enough players up front yet. if koeman solidifies them they will be looking to top 8. Southampton need a new manager.. again if they do it right and keep players... west ham have a decent side (bit functional too and a solid counter attacking manager) Leicester have had some fun last year.. hunger is in question
not even mentioned stoke

So.

top 10

city
utd
arsenal
spurs (70plus points here)

chelsea (5th, not sure about conte and their defense yet)

LFC (i hope)

West ham
Everton
Leicester
Southampton
stoke (11th)

the top 4 will be well ahead but the rest.. anything could occur. we can't assume LFc are all that when the fact is as you say... we have to improve,, west ham, everton and Liecester are threats to us... thats bloody mid table <laugh>
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All potentially true...as is us getting the right players in and Klopp inspiring them into winning the league. No ****er knows, see Leicester City for details.
 
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