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[Zingy]

Everyone is just telling lies and trying to shout the loudest, no way of actually knowing what is best. I'm doing what I have done for years now and not voting. What's the point? Like I say no way of knowing what is best and no matter what happens they will do whatever they want once they have the power.

Yup. Either way, we are not going to be doomed. We won't become a 3rd world country. Life will go on. And I will be enjoying Glastonbury when the people are voting. I went as far as applying for postal voting online which required me to go post my application...I decided it was better time spent having a beer in the garden.

 

[carlthejackal]

Glibness isn't getting to the core issue - back in the 40's 'experts' promoted smoking as being good for you. My Gran smoked menthol cigarettes until she died as she was convinced it helped with her asthma. I'm not joking. Experts have for years told us to eat low-fat food, now we know that it's better to have amounts of the right kinds of fat in our diet and that 'low-fat' equals 'processed' which is a bad thing. This is recent stuff, too.

Read my post again. It's not a numbers game. When I went to court and had opposing experts the case was never won on "Oh, you've got 9 and I've got 1, lets' not have a trial, you win". In fact, when I worked in Australia I actually successfully defended a guy on an arson charge when we had one expert to the Prosecution's four experts. It's the arguments that count.

I like Vince Cable, and for the record I've voted Labour, Lib Dem and Tory in my lifetime. But he has made exactly the same assumptions about the economy on Brexit. It's join the dots economics and is highly speculative because it's premised upon certain things happening that nobody can predict with any degree of certainty.

I'm also sick to the back teeth of hearing 'leap in the dark'. Yes, there will be some uncertainty but wasn't it a leap in the dark to join in the first place? As a nation we have always been risk-takers and that's why we have record numbers of entrepreneurs. Let's grow a ****ing pair and believe in this country instead of being just another homogenised, faceless Euro region.

Don't you think you are dismissing people's fears about the economy too readily? If I am a young person, looking for work soon, the number of jobs available to me will be very important. Any recession will be bad news. It's all right for some to say " Grow a pair, will you?" even in the face of uncertainty. But these are real people with real lives to be lived and needing money to pay bills, mortgages, rents. Some of us older folks might be able to withstand a recession but not the young ones. They have to live longer with any negative consequences. Interesting that most young people (>75%) favour Remain whilst most of the older ones favour Brexit.

 

[saintanton]

Yup. Either way, we are not going to be doomed. We won't become a 3rd world country. Life will go on. And I will be enjoying Glastonbury when the people are voting. I went as far as applying for postal voting online which required me to go post my application...I decided it was better time spent having a beer in the garden.

I used to be apathetic but I can't be bothered anymore.

 

[luvgonzo]

This brexit fiasco is all bout racism and xenophobia! Vote stay!

 

[Tobes]

Oh dear. You can't grasp the fact that the UK actually supported, and in many cases proposed the EU laws of which you speak. The Equal Pay Act pre-dates our EU entry. The idea that we as a country are incapable of passing good law and have to rely on the EU to do it for us is not only insulting to our own Parliamant it's completely bogus.

As for your assertion regarding our 'culture', I have to say that's a new one on me. There was me thinking we opposed poor laws because they are against the interests of the British people.

Oh right....is this the EU in which our voice isn't heard then? The anti democratic one?



Listen, you've put into context where you are on this - as a retired lawyer drawing down his huge pension, sat in his mortgage free property, who fancies giving the 2 fingers to Johnny Foreigner and harking back to the days when Britain was 'great'.

Let's go gung ho, **** the economic consequences....yeah mate, easy said from where you're perched. The rest of us are worried about interest rates, a potential property price slump, unemployment and years of economic uncertainty whilst we aim to re-position ourselves in the World trade arena.

 

[Kifflom!]

Don't you think you are dismissing people's fears about the economy too readily? If I am a young person, looking for work soon, the number of jobs available to me will be very important. Any recession will be bad news. It's all right for some to say " Grow a pair, will you?" even in the face of uncertainty. But these are real people with real lives to be lived and needing money to pay bills, mortgages, rents. Some of us older folks might be able to withstand a recession but not the young ones. They have to live longer with any negative consequences. Interesting that most young people (>75%) favour Remain whilst most of the older ones favour Brexit.

I have two boys in their 20's. I understand concerns (and that's all they are) about what may happen. Neither can get on the housing ladder in the foreseeable future. My niece can't get her daughter into the closest school to where she lives. The classes there are running at 35 and the place is bursting. My son went to A&E recently and waited 6 hours - it was rammed.

Now whether you accept these problems are down to the EU or not, mass uncontrolled immigration is definitely a factor and it cannot continue at this level - and it will get worse.

 

[saintanton]

This brexit fiasco is all bout racism and xenophobia! Vote stay!

You keep out of it, Taff.

 

[Zingy]

This brexit fiasco is all bout racism and xenophobia! Vote stay!

You unpatriotic batard!

 

[saintanton]

I have two boys in their 20's. I understand concerns (and that's all they are) about what may happen. Neither can get on the housing ladder in the foreseeable future. My niece can't get her daughter into the closest school to where she lives. The classes there are running at 35 and the place is bursting. My son went to A&E recently and waited 6 hours - it was rammed.

Now whether you accept these problems are down to the EU or not, mass uncontrolled immigration is definitely a factor and it cannot continue at this level - and it will get worse.

And you don't believe we can change this from within?
Remember we had significant so-called "immigration problems" before we ever joined.
Is this really what your argument boils down to?

 

[Kifflom!]

Oh right....is this the EU in which our voice isn't heard then? The anti democratic one?



Listen, you've put into context where you are on this - as a retired lawyer drawing down his huge pension, sat in his mortgage free property, who fancies giving the 2 fingers to Johnny Foreigner and harking back to the days when Britain was 'great'.

Let's go gung ho, **** the economic consequences....yeah mate, easy said from where you're perched. The rest of us are worried about interest rates, a potential property price slump, unemployment and years of economic uncertainty whilst we aim to re-position ourselves in the World trade arena.

"drawing down his huge pension, sat in his mortgage free property," I wish. Wrong on both counts. But you do like your stereotypes don't you? I actually love Europe and it's for that reason I'm saddened by what the EU is doing to its people. What it's doing to the Greeks is almost a crime against humanity. I also have some great friends in Egypt - all Muslim of course. I even speak some Arablic. Can you?

Put your daft preconceptions out in the trash where they belong.

 

[luvgonzo]

I even speak some Arablic. Can you?

What has that got to do with anything?

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I think it may mean he's on a watch list... back away now lads MI6 could be reading.

sing GOD SAVE OUR GRACIOUS......

 

[Kifflom!]

And you don't believe we can change this from within?
Remember we had significant so-called "immigration problems" before we ever joined.
Is this really what your argument boils down to?

No it's much more - just read my posts. But at least our governments can be held to account if they get immigration wrong. At the moment the Government doesn't have control at all regarding EU immigration.

But we've never been a nation of mass immigration. The Huganots came centuries ago from France but that was 50,000 over decades. Ugandan Asians in the 70's - a tiny amount. The problem started when Blair's Labour opened the floodgates in the early Noughties to "rub the Right's noses in diversity". Jack Straw has since admitted this was a monumental mistake.

Now we've had 1 million EU immigrants since 2010 - that's unsustainable.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

"drawing down his huge pension, sat in his mortgage free property," I wish. Wrong on both counts. But you do like your stereotypes don't you? I actually love Europe and it's for that reason I'm saddened by what the EU is doing to its people. What it's doing to the Greeks is almost a crime against humanity. I also have some great friends in Egypt - all Muslim of course. I even speak some Arablic. Can you?

Put your daft preconceptions out in the trash where they belong.

Greece is a german crime perpetrated by the EU on behalf of german banks.

UK is complicit and should be running EU not backing out.

 

[Kifflom!]

I think it may mean he's on a watch list... back away now lads MI6 could be reading.

sing GOD SAVE OUR GRACIOUS......

Oh I see, a post-Imperialist white guilt self-loather. I see them around the forums a bit.

 

[luvgonzo]

Is this now a race thing?

 

[Tobes]

"drawing down his huge pension, sat in his mortgage free property," I wish. Wrong on both counts. But you do like your stereotypes don't you? I actually love Europe and it's for that reason I'm saddened by what the EU is doing to its people. What it's doing to the Greeks is almost a crime against humanity. I also have some great friends in Egypt - all Muslim of course. I even speak some Arablic. Can you?

Put your daft preconceptions out in the trash where they belong.

The Greeks did that to themselves ffs. They didn't ought to look beyond their own shores for those culpable for the massive overspend that led to their inability to repay their own debt.

The EU should have never allowed their crack pot economy into the Euro mind, but all they've done since is bail them out of the hole they dug for themselves.

I don't speak Arabic - why would I?

 

[Kifflom!]

What has that got to do with anything?

The assertion that Brexiteers are Little Englanders. Do keep up.

 

[luvgonzo]

The assertion that Brexiteers are Little Englanders. Do keep up.

Who made that assumption? I deffo need to catch up here I'm a bit lost. If we left the EU would it all become clear?

 

[Kifflom!]

The Greeks did that to themselves ffs. They didn't ought to look beyond their own shores for those culpable for the massive overspend that led to their inability to repay their own debt.

The EU should have never allowed their crack pot economy into the Euro mind, but all they've done since is bail them out of the hole they dug for themselves.

The Greek political classes are to blame but the EU encouraged their entry into the Euro and do you know who lobbied the EU for that to happen? Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan - two of the biggest donors to the current In campaign, and two sets of 'experts' currently warning about Brexit.