Why Ehab needs to start attending matches

[SydneyTiger14]

I totally agree, maybe I should resign. Maybe, I am angry because all the hard work that has been done by the OSC and which you have kindly "liked" has just about gone up in smoke, because someone not connected with the OSC broke a confidentiality agreement. Maybe, if you had just spent the weekend working on future projects for supporters, to find out that all of the goodwill had evaporated, whilst a former director of the HCST and Not606 Conduit was blowing smoke up the forums arse, you might use the word "tit".



Odd thing to be posted from so far and yet so near.

I'm just basing that on stuff I saw on Twitter from the person in question.

 

[Fez]

""You're a ****" say the OSC."

That's because you are a **** OLM.

The OSC isn't ignored by the club, the FWG is. Why is that do you think OLM?

So, are you still the Communications Director of the OSC? Is this the posting style your junior members will live up to?

Good, you accept the FWG is ignored by the club.

Why would the club ignore it's official supporters club - unless they are a part of the FWG, that is?

Maybe you should ask who broke the confidentiality agreement?

The OSC is STILL working with the club, they respond to our official emails. At this present time, the OSC has not asked its FWG rep to contact the club in any capacity. The email group that OLM mentions is not sanctioned by the OSC and had no mandate to contact any other group members.

You tell us who broke that scurrilous piece of ****; a NDA, used in that way was no more that a high-handed trick and deserved to be broken. But anyway, was it Burnsy?

Without them you are nothing, you work for the club, nothing wrong with that, except ignoring it.

Why, as you have such good relations, do you not want your FWG rep to contact the club to seek clarity?

Did a FWG email group require your permission?

I am asking these questions to try and understand how the OSC is positioned in all of this, as I find your posts a little confusing.

Massive steps forward have been made, only to be set back by the actions of a few individuals. You can point as many fingers at James Mooney as you like, but in this case he is not the guilty party. If I was in his position, I would find it very hard to trust some of the individuals on the FWG again.

OLM paints a false picture and he knows it. He is a ****.

If you are going to make abusive accusations then I suggest you support them with facts.

What massive steps forward have been made?

How and by whom were they set back (Names were on the minutes, as I recall)?

What has James Mooney done to garner trust?

Explain this false picture?

No, the confidentiality agreement was broken, two people spoke to Burnsy about it. Neither had attended the FWG meeting. I guessed one of them from the get go, but was surprised at the other.

It wasn't OLM by the way who spoke to Burnsy. But he is still a ****.

The problem with this is that folk get bored and don't read everything, your abusive accusations grow arms and legs and innocents get wrongly tarred and culprits move on. Is this how you think it should be done?

 

[Fez]

Maybe, if you had just spent the weekend working on future projects for supporters, to find out that all of the goodwill had evaporated,

It wasn't you, it wasn't the OSC, so why has their goodwill to you evaporated? Doesn't that make you question why you are officially in their back pocket?

 

[Kempton]

Jack it in now, it's boring for everyone else.

I hear he's having a hip flask engraved

 

[cheshireles]

Having quickly scrolled the previous posts, can I point out that had the Allams been more 'open' from the outset then it would appear at face value that the previous 3-4 pages would not have been posted? No need for in-fighting bro's

 

[DJBlackandamberarmy(No4)]

wish I knew what all these initials stood for, im ****ed at my new job

 

[neverdullinhull]

As it stands, there are a lot of uncertainties, and a lot of people considering their options based on possible outcomes.

Letting people know that there is something around that could help them, even if it is only to ease the transition can't be a bad thing.

At the moment, there's been a lot of noise about the membership scheme, but no clear indication if all complaints are generally on similar issues, or of the majority view. Some seem to think that price alone is the key factor. I feel it's only one part of a perceived injustice and feeling of impotence.

The longer the wait to start pulling people together and determining what those affected view as the key issues, the more the scheme will be implemented as is, and protesters left saying that there isn't enough time to act.

Let's face it, the reconsideration of the scheme has been brought about by the actions of individual fans, imagine what can be achieved if those voices are coordinated and structured.

Lower Prices and being able to keep the seat you have had for years are equally top in importance from those I speak to.

 

[DMD]

Whether it was the right or wrong thing to have an NDA is debatable, but it was there and accepted by those that attended.

To breach that at a period where bridges are trying to be built with the club for me is very much retrograde step.

 

[cheshireles]

Lower Prices and being able to keep the seat you have had for years are equally top in importance from those I speak to.

People don't like change, it appears that not moving seats was ever seen as a potential problem by the Allams At the rate they are going it won't make any difference as a fair few more will say stick it!

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

I totally agree, maybe I should resign. Maybe, I am angry because all the hard work that has been done by the OSC and which you have kindly "liked" has just about gone up in smoke, because someone not connected with the OSC broke a confidentiality agreement. Maybe, if you had just spent the weekend working on future projects for supporters, to find out that all of the goodwill had evaporated, whilst a former director of the HCST and Not606 Conduit was blowing smoke up the forums arse, you might use the word "tit".

Don't be cryptic. If you know names, name them. Who resigned? Why? How is OLM blowing smoke up our arses? You can't make half coated accusations without revealing everything. Say it all or say nowt.

• James Mooney, marketing manager of Hull City AFC
• Henry Crane, catering superstar
• Jonathan Lee and Will Leaf, observing from Strawberry
• Tony Conway (Senior Tigers)
• Ron Black (Hull City Official Supporters Club)
• George Machin (Hull boys’ league coach)
• John Wilson (Away Direct)
• John Watt (West Stand)
• Geoff Bielby (Hull City Supporters’ Trust)
• Andy Dalton (Amber Nectar ne’er-do-well)
• Ian Waterson (City Independent)
• Rob Harmer (Not 606)

If you believe there was a breach of confidentiality then have the balls to name who can't be trusted otherwise, to me & maybe others, it could appear that you're attempting to deflect attention away from the OSC.

 

[PLT]

Whether it was the right or wrong thing to have an NDA is debatable, but it was there and accepted by those that attended.

To breach that at a period where bridges are trying to be built with the club for me is very much retrograde step.

I don't think anyone on the FWG breached their NDA, and I'm not aware of anyone else signing one. I'd heard that Burnsy was being briefed on it the day before he posted details online. I don't believe for a second that two fans told him about it.

 

[cheshireles]

Whether it was the right or wrong thing to have an NDA is debatable, but it was there and accepted by those that attended.

To breach that at a period where bridges are trying to be built with the club for me is very much retrograde step.

An NDA, that's laughable in itself!

 

[neverdullinhull]

Don't be cryptic. If you know names, name them. Who resigned? Why? How is OLM blowing smoke up our arses? You can't make half coated accusations without revealing everything. Say it all or say nowt.

• James Mooney, marketing manager of Hull City AFC
• Henry Crane, catering superstar
• Jonathan Lee and Will Leaf, observing from Strawberry
• Tony Conway (Senior Tigers)
• Ron Black (Hull City Official Supporters Club)
• George Machin (Hull boys’ league coach)
• John Wilson (Away Direct)
• John Watt (West Stand)
• Geoff Bielby (Hull City Supporters’ Trust)
• Andy Dalton (Amber Nectar ne’er-do-well)
• Ian Waterson (City Independent)
• Rob Harmer (Not 606)

If you believe there was a breach of confidentiality then have the balls to name who can't be trusted otherwise, to me & maybe others, it could appear that you're attempting to deflect attention away from the OSC.

I have not commented on this so far but why does it have to be someone from the supporters side leaking something?
Is it not equally feasible that it could be say a mole within the club, a blabbermouth within the club, or someone involved in marketing who may have been asked to explain more before earn your stripes banners could be hung in St.Stephens, or advertising placed in newspapers or elsewhere, or someone at printers. There must be numerous possibilities.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

I have not commented on this so far but why does it have to be someone from the supporters side leaking something?
Is it not equally feasible that it could be say a mole within the club, a blabbermouth within the club, or someone involved in marketing who may have been asked to explain more before earn your stripes banners could be hung in St.Stephens, or advertising placed in newspapers or elsewhere, or someone at printers. There must be numerous possibilities.

That's one for TOM, Communications Director at The OSC to answer. He's got all angry with his half arsed ****, confidentiality & blowing smoke accusations, He should come out & say it all, as he believes it to be. Give people a chance to defend themselves. Not doing so, in my opinion, could lead to it appearing that he is merely, as Communications Director of the OSC deflecting any suggestion of mistrust away from themselves. Although, as previously asked by another, if the breach in confidentiality hasn't come from the OSC why has their relationship with the club been affected?

 

[dennisboothstash]

Nobody's grasped anything.

All FWG members who attended meeting are in an email group (me, the Trust, the OSC, the club, CI, AN, the Senior Tigers etc), all are asking similar questions, none are currently being answered by the club and we're basically just talking to each other.

When those groups actually know what's going on, they'll act on that information, there's absolutely no point in the South Stand or West Upper pass holders getting together until they know if they'll have to move or not.

I disagree

The only similar event to gauge how it might be handled is the E1-3 evictions, and if they are handled in the same way (and we have no reason to believe that they won't be) there will be precisely no time at all to arrange any type of protest and hope that changes would be made
By the time I found out I was to be moved I had 7 days to get together with the group I went with, decide what seats we would get, and then all turn up, together, at the same time, in person, to get our new seats.
As it turned out that was logistically impossible to do, so waiting until that point to argue is the thing that would be absolutely no point.

The club have publicly said that some pass holders will be moved and haven't done anything to suggest that will be turned round. If I was one of them then I would be using the time now to protest, because later it will be pointless and impossible to achieve in my experience. That would be better achieved both individually and as a group

 

[originallambrettaman]

I disagree

The only similar event to gauge how it might be handled is the E1-3 evictions, and if they are handled in the same way (and we have no reason to believe that they won't be) there will be precisely no time at all to arrange any type of protest and hope that changes would be made
By the time I found out I was to be moved I had 7 days to get together with the group I went with, decide what seats we would get, and then all turn up, together, at the same time, in person, to get our new seats.
As it turned out that was logistically impossible to do, so waiting until that point to argue is the thing that would be absolutely no point.

The club have publicly said that some pass holders will be moved and haven't done anything to suggest that will be turned round. If I was one of them then I would be using the time now to protest, because later it will be pointless and impossible to achieve in my experience. That would be better achieved both individually and as a group

If the rumours are to be believed, nobody will have to move out of the South, though I've no idea what will happen to the West Upper now promotion is looking increasingly unlikely. As we should still find out in a matter of days, I still think it's better to find out what's being done before campaigning about it.

 

[DMD]

I disagree

The only similar event to gauge how it might be handled is the E1-3 evictions, and if they are handled in the same way (and we have no reason to believe that they won't be) there will be precisely no time at all to arrange any type of protest and hope that changes would be made
By the time I found out I was to be moved I had 7 days to get together with the group I went with, decide what seats we would get, and then all turn up, together, at the same time, in person, to get our new seats.
As it turned out that was logistically impossible to do, so waiting until that point to argue is the thing that would be absolutely no point.

The club have publicly said that some pass holders will be moved and haven't done anything to suggest that will be turned round. If I was one of them then I would be using the time now to protest, because later it will be pointless and impossible to achieve in my experience. That would be better achieved both individually and as a group

Making sure any protest or discussions actually reflect what people feel are the issues, rather than what they're assumed to be, could be part of the pre-discussions that could be happening now.

 

[dennisboothstash]

If the rumours are to be believed, nobody will have to move out of the South, though I've no idea what will happen to the West Upper now promotion is looking increasingly unlikely. As we should still find out in a matter of days, I still think it's better to find out what's being done before campaigning about it.

Rumours schmumours
We disagree, that's fine

 

[DMD]

Rumours schmumours
We disagree, that's fine

It'd be interesting to here what those on the trust board think.

 

[dennisboothstash]

If the rumours are to be believed, nobody will have to move out of the South, though I've no idea what will happen to the West Upper now promotion is looking increasingly unlikely. As we should still find out in a matter of days, I still think it's better to find out what's being done before campaigning about it.

We should indeed. Last Thursday as I recall ?!