Bruce out - Revote

[GlassHalfHull]

There's another former Man Utd defender twiddling his thumbs. He'll be desperate to get back into football punditry and needs to wipe the slate clean after Valencia. If Gary Neville got us promoted he could walk back to Sky with his head held high.

 

[balkan tiger]

For all their faults you can't blame them. Would you just walk away and take a hit of tens of millions when you've a realistic chance of getting it back? Would anyone?

Iv'e said a few times, i don't think they are really trying to sell. If we limp over the line again its 100 million almost even if we end up in last place next season and then there will be more parachute payments, would be madness not to go for it.

Although if it goes tits up and we don't go up???? I can see why Bruce is not looking so happy these days, been getting his arse kicked from those above.

 

[balkan tiger]

There's another former Man Utd defender twiddling his thumbs. He'll be desperate to get back into football punditry and needs to wipe the slate clean after Valencia. If Gary Neville got us promoted he could walk back to Sky with his head held high.

Please no more ex defenders as our manager, can we have someone with a bit of drive.

 

[PLT]

For all their faults you can't blame them. Would you just walk away and take a hit of tens of millions when you've a realistic chance of getting it back? Would anyone?

It's entirely up to them of course, but my point is it doesn't make sense. If it was that easy to get that value back into the club then a new buyer would have no problem paying a higher price for it now and then doing it himself.

The reason they'll only get the price they want if we get promoted is that their gamble will have paid off, but that's exactly what it is. It's exactly the same as my roulette analogy. They could give up and walk away or they could gamble further. Just like in the casino, gambling again to win it back doesn't guarantee that you won't achieve the opposite.

 

[GlassHalfHull]

It's entirely up to them of course, but my point is it doesn't make sense. If it was that easy to get that value back into the club then a new buyer would have no problem paying a higher price for it now and then doing it himself.

The reason they'll only get the price they want if we get promoted is that their gamble will have paid off, but that's exactly what it is. It's exactly the same as my roulette analogy. They could give up and walk away or they could gamble further. Just like in the casino, gambling again to win it back doesn't guarantee that you won't achieve the opposite.

It's that old one about how to make a small fortune in football by starting with a large one. The Allam family have tied themselves to a speculative venture that already failed to deliver what they expected at the outset; getting hold of the stadium and being allowed to develop land around it. When they had a premier league club to sell they missed their chance and are still waiting for the ideal opportunity to move it on. Meanwhile their emotional response to HCC blocking the windfall has driven their management of the club in everything they've done since. The only saving grace is that they're so far into their investment that they can't afford to cut their nose off to spite their face, and have to keep funding the side in the hope of promotion. That's not gone as well as they thought, so what next?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Please no more ex defenders as our manager, can we have someone with a bit of drive.

I bet West ham are really regretting hiring an ex defender...

 

[tigerrev]

I expect the Neville brothers will be looking to enhance reputation as soon as possible.

What as - the new Jedward?

 

[armchairfan]

I can see why Bruce is not looking so happy these days, been getting his arse kicked from those above.

He's getting his arse kicked by other managers, many with far less experience than him.

 

[Blaknamberblood]

There's another former Man Utd defender twiddling his thumbs. He'll be desperate to get back into football punditry and needs to wipe the slate clean after Valencia. If Gary Neville got us promoted he could walk back to Sky with his head held high.

Really !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gary Neville ffs, give ya head a shake man. Did you not see what pile of crap he dished out at Valencia, it was that bad even his mate who owns the club and treats him like a brother ****ed him off it was that bad. Jesus H Christ I despair at times

 

[Amin Arrears]

Really !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gary Neville ffs, give ya head a shake man. Did you not see what pile of crap he dished out at Valencia, it was that bad even his mate who owns the club and treats him like a brother ****ed him off it was that bad. Jesus H Christ I despair at times

Did you not see what pile of crap Steve Bruce dished out here last season?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Really !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gary Neville ffs, give ya head a shake man. Did you not see what pile of crap he dished out at Valencia, it was that bad even his mate who owns the club and treats him like a brother ****ed him off it was that bad. Jesus H Christ I despair at times

Just to make a point, he didn't say in his post that he wants him. And lots, nay nearly all, managers fail somewhere. Especially when they're young. It's called learning and experience and is why not many people go straight from school to be the CEO of a company.

A case in point is the coach of last year's champions league finalist was so unpopular an appointment after perceived failure in his last job that thousands of fans turned up at the club headquarters to protest on the day he was announced.

 

[Blaknamberblood]

Did you not see what pile of crap Steve Bruce dished out here last season?

i`m afraid i can`t take anything you say serious with your constant anti Bruce agenda, move on

 

[Blaknamberblood]

Just to make a point, he didn't say in his post that he wants him. And lots, nay nearly all, managers fail somewhere. Especially when they're young. It's called learning and experience and is why not many people go straight from school to be the CEO of a company.

A case in point is the coach of last year's champions league finalist was so unpopular an appointment after perceived failure in his last job that thousands of fans turned up at the club headquarters to protest on the day he was announced.

It`s also called gross mismanagement of talent most young managers without experience could only dream of, don`t cover cracks with `it was his first time` shyte. They guy has been working alongside the greatest manager the Premier League has ever seen in Ferguson, and latterly he has been working alongside the England manager, quite simply he may be a decent coach at some level but a amanager he isn`t.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

It`s also called gross mismanagement of talent most young managers without experience could only dream of, don`t cover cracks with `it was his first time` shyte. They guy has been working alongside the greatest manager the Premier League has ever seen in Ferguson, and latterly he has been working alongside the England manager, quite simply he may be a decent coach at some level but a amanager he isn`t.

Ruddy Nora.... How many managers havent been sacked? Go on, list 'em.

He took a stupid job on yes - his first one should not have been at a big club in a bad patch where most of the players dont speak the same language as him, but that really doesnt mean he should be written off forever.

I'll go back to the example I referenced above and say that said coach and said coach alone decided to give Andrea Pirlo a free transfer at 31 cos he thought he was finished.

 

[GlassHalfHull]

We none of us know who is going to be successful and why. What sparked the turnaround at Leicester for instance? Was it the backroom boys or the manager? Was it NP or Claudio that finally made the changes that made the difference? Does the owner work with the coaching and management team to learn about the game or take a back seat? Do they trust one another? Applying that to City; is the problem with building a successful team one that starts at the top? What needs to change to get the wheels firmly fastened back on, and will we ever really know the truth about what goes on behind closed doors?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

We none of us know who is going to be successful and why. What sparked the turnaround at Leicester for instance? Was it the backroom boys or the manager? Was it NP or Claudio that finally made the changes that made the difference? Does the owner work with the coaching and management team to learn about the game or take a back seat? Do they trust one another? Applying that to City; is the problem with building a successful team one that starts at the top? What needs to change to get the wheels firmly fastened back on, and will we ever really know the truth about what goes on behind closed doors?

Great example. Ranieri has largely underachieved throughout his entire career save for a brief successful spell at Valencia. How many Lester fans were overjoyed at his appointment?

 

[Blaknamberblood]

I`ve already indicated that in my opinion, this club will have SB as manager until either a) he leaves of his own accord or b) we get new owners. The ridiculous suggestions of prospective managers should SB go is truly laughable, would you leave your post to enter a club with such uncertainty, I know I blood wouldn`t

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

I`ve already indicated that in my opinion, this club will have SB as manager until either a) he leaves of his own accord or b) we get new owners. The ridiculous suggestions of prospective managers should SB go is truly laughable, would you leave your post to enter a club with such uncertainty, I know I blood wouldn`t

I dont think you're wrong about that. I think he's had enough and will leave in the summer.

 

[Real ale tiger]

I'm beginning to wonder if Phelan might actually be a hindrance. I remember Tony Adams saying when he appointed an assistant manager the most important criteria is "he doesn't want my job". He got a lot of agreement within the game for this.

Phelan quit Norwich cos he didn't get the top job and we've seen zero impact since he arrived - is he hankering after Bruce leaving?

The thought had crossed my mind too.he certainly doesn't seem to have improved anyone much,if at all

 

[Real ale tiger]

Absolutely agree, I thought/hoped SB might have done the honourable thing after the game last night and walked away, which may instantly lift the shadow of doom and gloom over the players, team, and club, giving the players a bit of freedom to play free from his constraints. I have been a Bruce supporter, but am now fed up to the back teeth of him and his tactics, time to say thanks and goodbye, out of ideas, out of form and out of contention.

Many people have said that we have the strongest squad in this division on paper. That's just it though, unfortunately the game isn't played on paper it's what happens on the pitch, 11 v 11, and other factors come into play; who turns up on the day, who wants it more, heart, fight, battle, team spirit, tactics to put a team out to beat the opposition in front of you rather than a team picked out of sentiment and "one size fits all", all influenced by the manager.

Lets not forget, this is SBs team, he brought the players in, and as he often says you are only as good as your strikers, where actually are the strikers he invested in? Our top scorer, main striker is bench warming, with the invisible men, Akpom and Diomande, nowhere to be seen! Besides giving the mental advantage to our opposition that we are playing with no recognised strikers, just 6 midfielders, I wonder what exactly Dawson and Davies feel, it must put more mental pressure on them to keep clean sheets? I can't forgive Bruce for playing this way against M'boro, Derby, or Bristol, he just got lucky last Saturday, with McG making a few good saves in the first half.

For me, he has to go and now, to lift the stale, negative influence. It can't get any worse, it may give a lift and freedom to the players, maybe let Phelan & co, with Pennock also, the freedom to see what they can do to restore our hopes and season. Apologies for this rant.

Spot on