Off Topic EU referendum

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One thing that is for sure is that if the Tories say it is good for you if you stay in the EU then bet your last quid that it isn't!
One other thing. If any of you are contemplating getting out of England to get a better life for yourselves and family and you are thinking of Australia then you had better get your @rse into gear pretty quickly as there is going to be another referendum here (pretty soon) as to whether we are to declare Australia a Republic and sever ties with the Old Dart forever. Conditions for migrating to Australia will obviously change.
 
One thing that is for sure is that if the Tories say it is good for you if you stay in the EU then bet your last quid that it isn't!
One other thing. If any of you are contemplating getting out of England to get a better life for yourselves and family and you are thinking of Australia then you had better get your @rse into gear pretty quickly as there is going to be another referendum here (pretty soon) as to whether we are to declare Australia a Republic and sever ties with the Old Dart forever. Conditions for migrating to Australia will obviously change.
Alternatively, just commit a few crimes and be sent down there....does it still work like that?
 
What are the pros and cons of Britain exiting/staying in the EU?

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-Britain-exiting-staying-in-the-EU

The web page I found gives some insightful arguments, opinions, and some conjecture - in the pros and cons of 'Brexit'

for example the question- People


This is controversial but the free movement of people is a big aspect of EU. That Britons can freely study in Holland or can buy a home in Spain is a benefit of the EU.
Conversely, the fact that all those Polish plumbers can work in UK is another facet. Economists would describe that as a win (better work for lower prices creates more national wealth) but it is controversial and it is less popular with people who dislike the immigration.
But if UK were to leave then those current immigrants would have no right to stay in UK; and the British working in other countries (eg Brits retired to Spain) may no longer have the right to stay there.
See If any member state were to leave the EU, would its citizens resident in other EU states also have to leave?


 
I'm with the rest of you voting Out. What has the EU ever done for us. I'm not convinced its going to be bad for us. At the very least we could have got rid of all them islamic fanatics without truding through the EHRC and paying them thousands in benefits!
 
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Alternatively, just commit a few crimes and be sent down there....does it still work like that?

You wish!!!!<laugh>

If you google a place called Port Arthur in Tasmania you will find one of the 'convict' prisons. I've been there for a visit and the pain those poor unfortunate people must have felt gazing out of their barred cell windows on to the most beautiful picturesque scenery can only be imagined. On the brighter side I believe that most earned their freedom and built their homes and farmed land and eventually became quite affluent.
There was a 'massacre' there just before we went (20-odd years ago) where a bloke called Martin Bryant (I think) went berserk with a rifle and killed a number of people (visitors and staff alike as well as some locals - currently doing life). Seems to have a curse on the place.
 
You wish!!!!<laugh>

If you google a place called Port Arthur in Tasmania you will find one of the 'convict' prisons. I've been there for a visit and the pain those poor unfortunate people must have felt gazing out of their barred cell windows on to the most beautiful picturesque scenery can only be imagined. On the brighter side I believe that most earned their freedom and built their homes and farmed land and eventually became quite affluent.
There was a 'massacre' there just before we went (20-odd years ago) where a bloke called Martin Bryant (I think) went berserk with a rifle and killed a number of people (visitors and staff alike as well as some locals - currently doing life). Seems to have a curse on the place.
What's the gun laws like in Oz?
 
What are the pros and cons of Britain exiting/staying in the EU?

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-Britain-exiting-staying-in-the-EU

The web page I found gives some insightful arguments, opinions, and some conjecture - in the pros and cons of 'Brexit'

for example the question- People


This is controversial but the free movement of people is a big aspect of EU. That Britons can freely study in Holland or can buy a home in Spain is a benefit of the EU.
Conversely, the fact that all those Polish plumbers can work in UK is another facet. Economists would describe that as a win (better work for lower prices creates more national wealth) but it is controversial and it is less popular with people who dislike the immigration.
But if UK were to leave then those current immigrants would have no right to stay in UK; and the British working in other countries (eg Brits retired to Spain) may no longer have the right to stay there.
See If any member state were to leave the EU, would its citizens resident in other EU states also have to leave?


I would think that they would take out citizenship but if they were 'kicked out' surely Britain would retaliate and kick out all the EU citizens currently employed/residing in Britain which would cause chaos.
It's a sorry state when some MP has advocated that all Pensioners in Britain should carry out 'community work' or their pensions should be stopped. The lunatics have surely taken over the looney bin. Asylum seekers can come to England, claim welfare, housing, education and medical assistance and do absolutely nothing yet an Englishman/woman who has worked all their lives and paid their taxes have to do 'community work' for their pension. Are you effing serious? What is incredible is that it appears that nobody is prepared to stand up and protest - is the old 'British Disease' ("Stuff you Jack, I'm all right") still alive and well.
What the hell has happened to this once great Country?
 
In the last EU vote in the
I'm with the rest of you voting Out. What has the EU ever done for us. I'm not convinced its going to be bad for us. At the very least we could have got rid of all them islamic fanatics without truding through the EHRC and paying them thousands in benefits!
I think you might find that the EHRC is not part of the EU, so staying or leaving will make no difference.
 
Not one job will be lost when we leave, it's all scare mongering.

Here are some pro's;

We get our fishing industry back.

We don't have to pay £55,000,000 every day to the EU.
If we kept all the EU payments returned from our contribution we would still have enough left over for £400 each household. Or we could scrap vat which was brought in to pay for the EU.

We could control immigration so that instead of a net 350,000 coming every year, all needing housing, NHS, schools and all the infrastructure, we could seriously cut this number. We build around 120,000 houses per year, not enough to home the increase in immigrants never mind yourselves and your children.

There would be lots more jobs as you would not be losing them to incomers.

Pay would increase as firms would not have the incomers to offer cheap wages to.

We will have many more trade opportunities with the rest of the world, especially our commonwealth friends.

As the EU gets more trade selling to us than us to them there is no way we would stop trading. Would Germany stop selling us £16 billion worth of cars every year?, any of their politicians supporting that in Germany would never get elected.

You hear we trade more with the EU than other places but did you know that if we send a container to say Hong Kong and it is reloaded via Rotterdam as many are, they count that as trade with EU and not Hong Kong, one of the many figures fiddled to make the EU look better. In fact, EU trade is dropping like a stone.

Food and energy would be cheaper with no unfair tariffs imposed on imports from Africa for instance. Also, better for fair trade and for Africa.

We wouldn't have to send hundreds of millions abroad in benefits to children abroad if their dad worked in the UK.

We would avoid a mass invasion from Turkey (and other very poor Nations earmarked for EU membership) who would all be allowed instant access to our jobs market and infrastructure.

There are loads of other reasons to leave but I'm not bothering to list more. Voting to remain is simply insane.
Do you really want all these extra politicians.

I've heard no coherent argument for staying in and like him or not, Farage wins every debate because all the facts show leaving is best for us.

The stay inner's say things like you will lose telephone roaming charges...you won't.
Listen to any debate and the out'ers win every point.

The inner's can only try to frighten you.

Treat the (partly EU funded) bbc with caution as they and nearly all the mainstream media support staying in and they all give a bias towards staying in.

For a non biased news Google. Breitbart then click on the London header for UK news. Also, read the comments on each article.
Google. Biased bbc to see how much news is being manipulated or hidden.
The last 4 question times have had a 16 pro EU, 3 against EU and 1 undecided on the last 4 weeks panellists plus their studio audiences are almost always large majority left wing.

Those who want to stay in are usually the rich, the media, politicians and luvvies.
The less well off are the ones paying for this EU empire, the rich get cheap nannies and a low wage available work force, good for them, not for us. Pity is that they control what you see, hear and read.

If you hadn't guessed by the way, I'm voting out.
It's the people versus the politicians.
I have never read such crap in my life.....It's frightening to think there are people out there think the way you do when the out politicians don't know themselves and are in the dark......I think you need to understand a lot more about the EU in/out debate yet before saying a load of rubbish and wait until someone from the out brigade can explain how it will effect the ordinary family because as yet they wont say......keep an open mind or you and your like who know nothing could be making a huge mistake....
 
I have never read such crap in my life.....It's frightening to think there are people out there think the way you do when the out politicians don't know themselves and are in the dark......I think you need to understand a lot more about the EU in/out debate yet before saying a load of rubbish and wait until someone from the out brigade can explain how it will effect the ordinary family because as yet they wont say......keep an open mind or you and your like who know nothing could be making a huge mistake....
Try Picnic at Hanging Rock.
 
From a footballing perspective it would see a massive shift as EU players would now be classed as 'foreign' and would require a work permit?

From my point of view - Out. The EU is a pack of cards held up by the UK and Germany largely. If we leave, the Germans will follow. It was always a bad idea trying to create a United States of Europe. Re immigration - Free movement of workers and adopting the Human Rights Act are constitutionally two of the worst things to ever happen to the UK. The latter especially has allowed the PC brigade to dictate what happens.