Naaah. Why would people get upset over politics? Nowt contoversial about this forum Gil
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Naaah. Why would people get upset over politics? Nowt contoversial about this forum Gil
The debate's barely started mate. We still don't know what he's really agreed to, in detail.
I have been deliberating about this for months mate...What Cameron comes up with is not very influential to where I stand at present..
There are some good points in there, but I'd have appreciated, and perhaps taken notice of, it if you'd written it in English (intelligible English) . . . . so that I could have understood what you said without thinking 'what the ****
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Consequently, I couldn't be bothered to decipher what you mean't, and am nee further forward
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We have a market of 500 million people..If we came out this market would undoubtedly diminish and exports to this market be more costly...To say there would not be any job losses is just utter tosh. The question is, how many job losses..
Who says? That's my point RAW.
Don't believe the first stats, or statements you see. Take your time. You were 100% correct on waiting for the AJ case before you passed judgement, this is no different mate. Don't be clouded by your natural political leaning before making your decision.
Look at the bigger picture...If we pulled out we would not be given the same access to this huge market that we have now...Firms such as Nissan have previously stated that they would consider leaving the UK should we leave..
Why do people say things like 'should we leave' (which is a question) instead of 'if we leave' (which is what they mean't)
Read post #18. I try, with my very limited intelligence, to see the bigger picture.
I almost certainly don't, but then again, I doubt you do either.
But I'm not constrained by any political bias.
This is something I will definitely need to look into a lot more. At present, I have no idea which way I am going to vote and I refuse to be ignorant of the situation.
This is not about party politics..This is about being in or out of a 500 million strong market..Global market alliances have been a natural progression of globalisation. we are not a big enough or strong enough economy to go solo, and the consequences could be economically catastrophic..
You're spouting propaganda there RAW. 500 million,,,,,, global market alliances,,,,, Just try thinking outside the box.
You can't say we're not big or strong enough to go solo. The U.K. is the 7th biggest economy in the world!
This tiny, tiny, little island, over-populated, over-pressurised from over-immigration, is the 7th biggest economy in the world.
I think we'll do fine. Fact is, those tiny, tiny, self-righteous little economies, whinging in about us being the bad guys, needs us far more than we need them. Why the **** should we give a monkeys what the Czech president thinks of us. Or the Maltese Premier. Or the Latvian.
We're massive, MASSIVE!! economically compared to the Bulgarians, Hungarians, Maltese.
Our industry isn't going over there if we pull out. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
It's just not going to happen. Toyota, Nissan, Vauxhall will still knock out cars from Swindon, Sunderland and Luton.
I'm still undecided though.
Out for me. As for the '"market" I understand that Norway and Switzerland have access to the same market as we do, but don't have any decision making powers and are not influenced by laws made in Brussels. Simply from an immigration point I would want out. Being in this club is free ticket for more and more immigrants and so called asylum seekers.
I have to 'sit on the fence' with this one as I live 'in the sticks' in Australia and have a beautiful life in retirement.
I had to make numerous concessions to come here in 1967 among which was Association Football, Fish and Chips, English Sausages and the Pub Culture, as well as family, relations and friends. However, on my trips back to the UK my heart bleeds to see what has happened to my Mother Country with minorities dictating as to what the majority want and should someone protest they are immediately branded with a 'racist' card.
I will not rant on with immigration, religious and the political situation which has all but destroyed the culture that I once knew.
Would those who sacrificed their lives in 2 world wars be happy with this situation. I very much doubt it.
When there is not enough housing, education and/or hospital facilities as well as jobs for the people here now, why is the current Government bringing in more and more people when the welfare system has reached saturation point? Can someone explain that to me.
Would Britain have been better off to stay out of the EU in the first place? It appears so.
I wish you all well in the future but I do not think you are too far away from the riots which are becoming of great concern in other EU Countries.
I had to make numerous concessions to come here in 1967 among which was Association Football, Fish and Chips, English Sausages and the Pub Culture, as well as family, relations and friends. However, on my trips back to the UK my heart bleeds to see what has happened to my Mother Country with minorities dictating as to what the majority want and should someone protest they are immediately branded with a 'racist' card.
I will not rant on with immigration, religious and the political situation which has all but destroyed the culture that I once knew.
Would those who sacrificed their lives in 2 world wars be happy with this situation. I very much doubt it.
When there is not enough housing, education and/or hospital facilities as well as jobs for the people here now, why is the current Government bringing in more and more people when the welfare system has reached saturation point? Can someone explain that to me.
Would Britain have been better off to stay out of the EU in the first place? It appears so.
I wish you all well in the future but I do not think you are too far away from the riots which are becoming of great concern in other EU Countries.
Like Roo I have been watching this from afar and can only speak from what I have read via interweb and have felt for some time that Cameron only gave the referendum to cut back the vote on UKIP and now he is stuck with having to meet an election promise, Winning the last election in the way he did has given him in a daft place. Getting some changes to what we already have is a bit of a hollow victory.
Cutting back on immigrants who pay UK tax to quality to child benefit hardly measures up to say a UK couple who earn say 50-80.000quid a year between them qualifying for the same benefit, Maybe the good old "means test" could be reintroduced at the top end earners to save even more money, if that was the purpose of cutting back on money being wasted.
Cutting back on immigrants who pay UK tax to quality to child benefit hardly measures up to say a UK couple who earn say 50-80.000quid a year between them qualifying for the same benefit, Maybe the good old "means test" could be reintroduced at the top end earners to save even more money, if that was the purpose of cutting back on money being wasted.
The countries you talk about have to comply with the rules of the single market to trade with the EU and pay about 80% of the fees other countries pay. The UK pays in less than 100% now as a result of previous rebates and we get a lot of European Investment funds for industry in this region. So it is not a simple question of leave and we won't be paying in, if we want to trade with out paying in we will face tariffs on our goods.
The fact that other member states say they want us to stay is as much about not wanting other countries to leave. If we do leave the next tactic to keep the EU together will be to make life so hard for the UK, with its large economy, that no one will want to leave. It will be the divorce from hell! They have to much to lose by making it work for us.
While we can quote figures which show that a large % of our imports come from the EU, the proportion for each individual state is small so they do not need us as much as we need them. This means tat a tariff wall will hurt us but that the extra capacity in the EU economy will be able to fill the gap as their products will be cheaper that ours. Result is a much needed boost to the EU at the expense of the UK.
I will be voting No...and in truth have always been against the EU.
If other members of the EU do not want to do trade and jobs with a population of something like 60 million people British people, then it never was a pot worth pissing in.
So Cameron can stick his recommendations where the sun don't shine, as for those recommendations or more opinions of his, I assume if he loses the No vote he will be stepping down, because i certainly do not want a Premier in power that gives such a negative response to what I hope will be a No vote. The deals are all too little to late.
Time to shut the door on this monstrosity.
I assume as the EU will not want anything to do with us after the No vote it means we can finally shut the tunnel too
If other members of the EU do not want to do trade and jobs with a population of something like 60 million people British people, then it never was a pot worth pissing in.
So Cameron can stick his recommendations where the sun don't shine, as for those recommendations or more opinions of his, I assume if he loses the No vote he will be stepping down, because i certainly do not want a Premier in power that gives such a negative response to what I hope will be a No vote. The deals are all too little to late.
Time to shut the door on this monstrosity.
I assume as the EU will not want anything to do with us after the No vote it means we can finally shut the tunnel too