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I am a great fan of stability, consistency and taking a long-term view. I did not support Ramsey's appointment as manager but, to be fair, I thought during the close season and August that he had generally recruited some promising players for affordable fees. However, subsequently, his team selection, tactics, inability to coach the defence and failure to get the best out of his players means that he now looks like a dead man walking.

I am not a fan of going back. Therefore, I doubt there's much of a role for the admirable Jamie Mackie at Loftus Road in 2015/16. Even my deep affection for, and patience towards, Adel Taarabt ran out during his last, sulky season with us, so there's no welcome mat out for him either.

However, the last time I enjoyed watching QPR for any sustained period (i.e. more than one game or so) was the promotion season under Warnock. Despite the comment (above) that NW's achievements at QPR were a one-off, the man has actually won promotion on 7 separate occasions!

There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that the 2015/16 QPR squad is, on paper, stronger than the motley crew that Warnock had at his disposal in 2010/11. I am sure he would do no worse than Ramsey. I might even enjoy watching QPR again. He might even get us promoted.

But then I'd worry about what we, and he (unproven at that level), would have to suffer during another painful season in the Premier League!
 
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This an article from May 2015. Couldn't it have been posted in the already existing Warnock thread?
 
Short answer is yes. Just spotted another Warnock thread along the same vein.

Onto the slush pile!
 
TWGWTDT said:
NW was the last QPR manager to give us a soul and belief that we would win matches
Could be good but it's a short fix
Things are rarely the same again
If NW gets us up then he needs full backing if he builds a team not the sack
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If it went that way (unlikely, we're in the bottom half) Colin should get full backing in the PL, not the sack as he got before after our first poor run under him.

But right now it is CR who needs full backing, which Colin is supposed to help give him. What he really needs are a quality RB and CB, and people getting off his back.
 
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QPR Oslo said:
.......... But right now it is CR who needs full backing, which Colin is supposed to help give him. What he really needs are a quality RB and CB, and people getting off his back.
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l guess it depends whether management have already planned for life after CR .... and that NW current appointment is only transitional till he takes over after the next bad results.

No one likes continued replacements but if everyone can see that CR is not management material and that we continue to have the worst conceded goals in the competition, l'm thinking we need to bite the bullet.
Throw on top of that, our beloved owner, now wishing for the promise land again and we find ourselves back with no real plan, no real manager and a top heavy management hell bent on surviving the cull.
 
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AussieQPR said:
l guess it depends whether management have already planned for life after CR .... and that NW current appointment is only transitional till he takes over after the next bad results.

No one likes continued replacements but if everyone can see that CR is not management material and that we continue to have the worst conceded goals in the competition, l'm thinking we need to bite the bullet.
Throw on top of that, our beloved owner, now wishing for the promise land again and we find ourselves back with no real plan, no real manager and a top heavy management hell bent on surviving the cull.
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I don't think there is so much wrong with Ramsey that a couple of quality defenders and some good part-time support from Colin (which he's brought in for supposedly) won't help with. Most though the whole atmosphere in and around the Club of demanding instant change needs to change. This applies from TF to the many people who were on Ramsey's back from day 1. I'm not happy with a slow consolidation and building up from a solid base only, I want that and promotion. But you can't always get what you want, and firing an excellent Coach and promising Manager within a few months isn't the answer, nor was firing Colin after his bad run, nor would be firing Colin again in a few more months if he should take over again. It took the supposedly best ever Manager in England a couple of years to sort it out at Man U, and he made some mistakes along the way. I hope CR gets the same opportunity with us.
 
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QPR Oslo said:
I don't think there is so much wrong with Ramsey that a couple of quality defenders and some good part-time support from Colin (which he's brought in for supposedly) won't help with. Most though the whole atmosphere in and around the Club of demanding instant change needs to change. This applies from TF to the many people who were on Ramsey's back from day 1. I'm not happy with a slow consolidation and building up from a solid base only, I want that and promotion. But you can't always get what you want, and firing an excellent Coach and promising Manager within a few months isn't the answer, nor was firing Colin after his bad run, nor would be firing Colin again in a few more months if he should take over again. It took the supposedly best ever Manager in England a couple of years to sort it out at Man U, and he made some mistakes along the way. I hope CR gets the same opportunity with us.
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I'm sorry Oslo but are you on a complete wind up?
Have you been on the morning snaps again?

Pray tell - who is this excellent coach that thou speaketh of?
The promising manager? - Are you being straight up when comparing Ramsey with Ferguson - that is what you're doing right?

One last one for you - I know you spend probably too much time in darkness up there but January to October does not maketh 4 Four ,Cuatro, Fire months or does it in Norgeland?
 
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danishqp said:
I'm sorry Oslo but are you on a complete wind up?
Have you been on the morning snaps again?

Pray tell - who is this excellent coach that thou speaketh of?
The promising manager? - Are you being straight up when comparing Ramsey with Ferguson - that is what you're doing right?

One last one for you - I know you spend probably too much time in darkness up there but January to October does not maketh 4 Four ,Cuatro, Fire months or does it in Norgeland?
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I think the point is that the club does need stability - the constant change we have been experiencing does not make for a settled team on the pitch - we are mid table... should be doing better, but perhaps the Warnock appointment is just what it is said to be - an experienced and onside ear to help CR, not take over from him.

I don't think anyone is happy about the recent run of results - in particular the defence and how many goals we are shipping, but Alex Ferguson was 4 years at ManU before he found his feet (1986-1990) - now that's not comparing Ferguson to Ramsey, just comparing the time modern managers are afforded before they are hounded out by a combination of financial and fan pressures on those above.

On a happier note, I just got back from a weekend in Copenhagen - fell head over heels in love with the place!
 
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seagullhoop said:
I think the point is that the club does need stability - the constant change we have been experiencing does not make for a settled team on the pitch - we are mid table... should be doing better, but perhaps the Warnock appointment is just what it is said to be - an experienced and onside ear to help CR, not take over from him.

I don't think anyone is happy about the recent run of results - in particular the defence and how many goals we are shipping, but Alex Ferguson was 4 years at ManU before he found his feet (1986-1990) - now that's not comparing Ferguson to Ramsey, just comparing the time modern managers are afforded before they are hounded out by a combination of financial and fan pressures on those above.

On a happier note, I just got back from a weekend in Copenhagen - fell head over heels in love with the place!
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Bloody hell -you're not my sister's boyfriend are you Seagull? - He's just visited for the first time this weekend, lives in Brighton with my sister and she has converted him to the mighty rrrrrs.

On a less convivial note - Alex Ferguson was at Man U for 4 years before tasting success, yet at the same time, Graham Turner lasted 1 year at Aston Villa, Billy McNeil got nine months straight after. Many, many other managers were getting fired sooner and for better performances than Ramsey's at the period you are quoting. So you must therefore by design be making the comparison you're so desperately not trying to make.

I probably need to know what stability is in your eyes and apologies I'm not trying to be facetious -

Is stability to you not improving or in fact worsening the defence in an inferior league?
Is stability to you not improving the midfield with any discernible pace or control, such as to link up at least occasionally with the defence and attack in an inferior league?
Is stability to you having the highest wage bill in an inferior league and lacking creativity and passion?
Is stability to you playing and paying for old has been crap (and sorry for the term) like Konchesky, Perch, Henry, Hill, Green?
Is stability to you the development of a playing staff who quite clearly don't give a ****? - ala Fer, Austin, Phillips
Is stability to you, being fed **** from clowns who couldn't sell or even give away a side of rib eye to a famished Texan that hasn't eaten for more than 4 hours (a week to you and me)

At what point and when do you want stability to start becoming small improvements?
At what point do you believe what you're being "informed"?
At what point does this stability start to work?

Stability used to be a friend of mine
 
danishqp said:
I'm sorry Oslo but are you on a complete wind up?
Have you been on the morning snaps again?

Pray tell - who is this excellent coach that thou speaketh of?
The promising manager? - Are you being straight up when comparing Ramsey with Ferguson - that is what you're doing right?

One last one for you - I know you spend probably too much time in darkness up there but January to October does not maketh 4 Four ,Cuatro, Fire months or does it in Norgeland?
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You must be on something boring with your morgenmatt mate that gets you counting months? Have a snaps or 3 with your breakfast at lunchtime and see if you can count to 4 years too. I don't remember counting months, or comparing any Manager. Not relevant but Im not in Scandinavia either, but as it's 6 pm here I'll go find a beer.

Ja Skål! Right, yes CR is a highly rated Coach, a promising Manager, and October through and including January is 4 months which is maybe what you meant but got a bit muddled. Fekking morgenmatt?
 
danishqp said:
Bloody hell -you're not my sister's boyfriend are you Seagull? - He's just visited for the first time this weekend, lives in Brighton with my sister and she has converted him to the mighty rrrrrs.

On a less convivial note - Alex Ferguson was at Man U for 4 years before tasting success, yet at the same time, Graham Turner lasted 1 year at Aston Villa, Billy McNeil got nine months straight after. Many, many other managers were getting fired sooner and for better performances than Ramsey's at the period you are quoting. So you must therefore by design be making the comparison you're so desperately not trying to make.

I probably need to know what stability is in your eyes and apologies I'm not trying to be facetious -

Is stability to you not improving or in fact worsening the defence in an inferior league?
Is stability to you not improving the midfield with any discernible pace or control, such as to link up at least occasionally with the defence and attack in an inferior league?
Is stability to you having the highest wage bill in an inferior league and lacking creativity and passion?
Is stability to you playing and paying for old has been crap (and sorry for the term) like Konchesky, Perch, Henry, Hill, Green?
Is stability to you the development of a playing staff who quite clearly don't give a ****? - ala Fer, Austin, Phillips
Is stability to you, being fed **** from clowns who couldn't sell or even give away a side of rib eye to a famished Texan that hasn't eaten for more than 4 hours (a week to you and me)

At what point and when do you want stability to start becoming small improvements?
At what point do you believe what you're being "informed"?
At what point does this stability start to work?

Stability used to be a friend of mine
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Haha... no, and for God's sake don't suggest that to my wife!

I think stability means simply giving a manager enough time to do a job - had the United board bowed to fan pressure then the 38 trophies in the following 22 years wouldn't have happened... but you knew that.

At the beginning of the season we were all about consolidation. It was "long-term plan" - and the general consensus seemed to be that next season (after we have had a chance to find our feet with our new squad) we might have a tilt at promotion. Yet two wins on the trot and we are all "we're going to tear up this league" and "our squad is the best on paper" which leaves the manager absolutely no room for any sort of poor run of results.

And now it seems even the owners have changed their tune and suddenly the noises coming from TF are...

tonyfernandes_officialHarlington looking good. Boys working hard. Let's see. I do believe. But results speak. Going up is the world for me.

Was it something we missed... While the owners (and we as fans) continue to demand instant success we really are not doing the club any favours. It's the old boom and bust scenario where we chuck cash at the problem but as soon as we look like things are not going right - we rip it up and start again with a new guy, new players, more outlay - but really it's just the same old problems.

There is a saying that says if you do what you always do, you will get what you always get - so if you want a different result you need to do something different - I think it's pretty clear that the last few years have not been good for the club, in all honesty we were promoted despite the manager, not because of him - and he then ****ed off when it became clear that he was not up to the job and to add insult to injury did it just after the transfer window had closed. Then extraordinarily, somehow we hoped a rookie manager would to steer us to safety with the same squad. Predictably it didn't happen, but if a seasoned PL manager like HR was struggling I think CR could be cut some slack there.

The whole mentality of the club needed to change - and at the beginning of the season the club were indeed making noises to the effect that we were actually going to create something more solid and forward looking at the club, to change our poor transfer policy to something more self sufficient and to establish processes and structures to enable us to move the club onto a more stable footing - now with not even 25% of the season completed, we have all lost our nerve, the boo boys are out again demanding, sackings, suggesting outlandish managerial replacements all in the search for instant gratification - it's so black and white... either win or **** off with little discernible regard for the actual long term effect on the club.

Sackings cost money, which we don't appear to have, and even if we did they wouldn't guarantee to change things for the better. I don't dispute that we are all deeply worried about the situation, but let's not panic, we're not Leeds...

Frankly I think Clive sums it up perfectly adequately...

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footba...6/beware-repeating-the-same-mistakes--preview
 
There''s an interesting write by Dave Mac on West London Sport on what Colin can do for us if anyone is interested. Can't copy it right now.
 
With Warnock back will give a buzz about the club, players will know they will have to up the performances, he has faults but one thing he will not accept is attitude to the cause, interesting few weeks!
 
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