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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
It's not as if these people climbed (or trampolined) in the night before and were squatting. They came as a part of the deal.

Irrespective of that, it could certainly all have been handled with far more skill and feeling for the local community. It is a community stadium after all.
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Nah they took advantage of a heavily subsidised facility.
 
tubbylard said:
Why couldn't the council welcome Hull City AFC in wanting to invest in the Airco Arena and bringing Catergory 2 Academy status to Hull? Is not football a community sport? The clubs using the Airco were doing so because it was cheap, not that it was the best venue for them. The Arena ran at a loss, which the SMC had to make up, and the SMC are basically the Allams.
Do the council and the ratepayers of Hull prefer another loss making council facility ?
If it had been any other business ( rugby league perhaps?) wanting to invest in a loss making council facility, which the Airco Arena was, and provide top class training facilities for Hull youngsters and provided many jobs in the process, the councillors would have been jumping up and down waving flags and climbing over each other to claim the credit.
When it came down to it the only real objection from all the groups using the Airco came from the trampoline class and had one member who jumped higher then other venues offered to them. This happened in one tournament, once a year.
If any of your sons/grandsons were involved with Hull City's Academy would you still be throwing these hissy fits?
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You make out like the Allams provided Hull with a facility.

What they actually did was took one which the council paid for, built and own through sheer force to use it for their own purposes. Even if that turns out to be somehow technically legal when it reaches the courts, it's an utterly disgraceful way to behave. They've stolen the facility from me and every other HCC taxpayer for their own private commercial use.

The fact that they failed to reach an agreement with Bishop Burton or to build their own facility is not the council or taxpayers' business. It's

The really sad thing of course is that absolutely no one would defend it if it wasn't Allam. There's just no defence for it whatsoever, but yeah its good old Assem so we have these ridiculous attempts to justify and rationalise it. Oh and of course blame it all on HCC, cos Allam says so.
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
Nah they took advantage of a heavily subsidised facility.
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Took advantage how exactly? By paying the rate that was asked for at the start? It's not as if they set the price or it has suddenly reduced. If that is the argument, surely the solution would be to renegotiate the price, not evict them.

Expecting everything to be self funding, especially associated with the KC is a slippery slope.
 
tubbylard said:
Why couldn't the council welcome Hull City AFC in wanting to invest in the Airco Arena and bringing Catergory 2 Academy status to Hull? Is not football a community sport? The clubs using the Airco were doing so because it was cheap, not that it was the best venue for them. The Arena ran at a loss, which the SMC had to make up, and the SMC are basically the Allams.
Do the council and the ratepayers of Hull prefer another loss making council facility ?
If it had been any other business ( rugby league perhaps?) wanting to invest in a loss making council facility, which the Airco Arena was, and provide top class training facilities for Hull youngsters and provided many jobs in the process, the councillors would have been jumping up and down waving flags and climbing over each other to claim the credit.
When it came down to it the only real objection from all the groups using the Airco came from the trampoline class and had one member who jumped higher then other venues offered to them. This happened in one tournament, once a year.
If any of your sons/grandsons were involved with Hull City's Academy would you still be throwing these hissy fits?
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The council offered to fast track a bubble pitch behind the Arena. I'd say that was welcoming Academy 2 status and trying to help City get it.

The Airco was cheap because that was what the Council wanted when they paid for it to be built. Hull City and Hull FC got the KC, the people of Hull got the Airco. It was part of the deal whereby the SMC paid next to nothing in rent. The SMC is in breach of the lease agreement.

The Airco ran at a loss because that was how the lease was written. The profits from the KC subsidised the Airco.

Whether the Council want the Airco back will be seen if they win any court case. If it goes that far and the Council win they can revoke the SMC's lease and negotiate directly with the Allams over how much rent they pay for the KC's upkeep. It doesn't have to make a loss, especially if the Allams have no other alternative for City's games, they'll have to pay what is asked.

Two rich men evicted hundreds of local people to get their mits on half a million from the Premier League. The costs of a bubble pitch was significantly less than the £7 million Assem Allam gave to Hull University and not much more than the costs of laying turf in the Airco and putting an artificial floor in for the squash. People who are prepared is trample on people who aren't as powerful as him so he can get back at the Council are cads in my view.

I may well have a step-grandson who will benefit from the Academy, early days yet, but it doesn't stop me recognising right from wrong.
 
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Happy Tiger said:
How is it relevant to what? To the Airco? A bit I would say.

I was just curious, and judging by the lack of response to the question, can I assume that all those clubs are actually fine and it wasn't the apocalyptic scenario it was painted as?
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Your completely missing the point.

If Hull City were unfairly evicted from the KC and had to play at North Ferriby would that be fine because they still existed or would you be annoyed?
 
PLT said:
You make out like the Allams provided Hull with a facility.

What they actually did was took one which the council paid for, built and own through sheer force to use it for their own purposes. Even if that turns out to be somehow technically legal when it reaches the courts, it's an utterly disgraceful way to behave. They've stolen the facility from me and every other HCC taxpayer for their own private commercial use.

The fact that they failed to reach an agreement with Bishop Burton or to build their own facility is not the council or taxpayers' business. It's

The really sad thing of course is that absolutely no one would defend it if it wasn't Allam. There's just no defence for it whatsoever, but yeah its good old Assem so we have these ridiculous attempts to justify and rationalise it. Oh and of course blame it all on HCC, cos Allam says so.
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It's only the fact that it's the Allams that it gets mentioned at all. If it was HCC owned and the council decided to close it down due to austerity cutbacks, it would just be accepted.
 
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Obadiah said:
Just like the SMC then. How much rent have they paid the Council since the Allams took over? A lot less than the Trampoline club paid the SMC, I think.
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How much have the Allams/SMC paid year on year for the upkeep of the stadium and Arena? Millions? Why should they subsidise other minority sports?
 
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Smartarse™ said:
It's only the fact that it's the Allams that it gets mentioned at all. If it was HCC owned and the council decided to close it down due to austerity cutbacks, it would just be accepted.
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You mean like the council tried with other leisure facilities such as Ennerdale, but decided against it after consultation and representation from the users and interested parties?
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
How much have the Allams/SMC paid year on year for the upkeep of the stadium and Arena? Millions? Why should they subsidise other minority sports?
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Standard commercial practice. Usually if you have a long term commercial lease you are responsible for the upkeep. They may have paid millions but they should get that back from their tenants. They subsidise other sports because Hull City Council, in effect, subsidised Hull City and Hull FC. It was the quid pro quo for the use of the KC.
 
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