197 Pelican crossings which go straight across the road are one crossing, even when there is a central island. You MUST wait for pedestrians who are crossing from the other side of the island. Laws ZPPPCRGD reg 26 & RTRA sect 25(5) 198 Give way to anyone still crossing after the signal for vehicles has changed to green. This advice applies to all crossings. https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/pedestrian-crossings-191-to-199 Precedence of pedestrians over vehicles at Zebra crossings 25.—(1) Every pedestrian, if he is on the carriageway within the limits of a Zebra crossing, which is not for the time being controlled by a constable in uniform or traffic warden, before any part of a vehicle has entered those limits, shall have precedence within those limits over that vehicle and the driver of the vehicle shall accord such precedence to any such pedestrian. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2400/regulation/25/made Irrespective of the law, I prefer to try to show a bit of consideration, rather than trying to live with the thought that my ignorance and impatience had killed or injured someone for the sake of a few seconds.
Chazz, there are more crossings in the world than the ones on Ferensway. Not so long ago I was waiting to turn right at a T junction. The road separates to 2 lanes. Just as I was about to set off as the light was green a young lass pushed a buggy out oblivious to everything around her with earphones in whilst concentrating on her phone. I was able to stop as I was hardly moving. The cars to the left of me had to slam their brakes on. Her response to someone daring to blast his horn at her was to stop in front of his car, let go of the buggy and stick two fingers up before proceeding on her way. Apart from the factuality less kid kid have been injured due to her stupidity, who can guarantee someone will hit the brake pedal quickly enough or there won't be a brake failure, the first car to brake could have injured its occupants or had someone shunt into the back of them. If you think people behaving like that are as thick as pig **** then you need to have a word with yourself.
That they are not breaking the regulations as you wrongly claimed. The car driver clearly is, as well as being ignorant in both senses of the word. You feel happy to hit someone with a tonne of metal for being ignorant, I prefer not to. To get back to the actual topic, I guess this side discussion demonstrates a need for more education on the rules of the road and manners for all road users, and a need for deeper consideration when roads are designed.
None of the things you've posted have anything to do with what was being discussed. Go find me the one that says if a pedestrian steps onto a crossing when the red man is lit, the driver going through the green light is at fault. Obviously drivers should be aware when they're approaching a crossing, just as they should be while driving past parked cars in a residential street where kids might run out, but that's got nothing to go with a situation where a driver follows the traffic signals and a pedestrian doesn't.
The ones I posted show that. The law also says that a green light doesn't mean go and hitting someone on a pedestrian crossing is a strict liability offence. If you hit someone, you're guilty.
Everything you've posted relates to pelican crossings, where I fully accept that the onus is on the driver to make sure they don't hit anyone, but that's not what we were talking about. We were discussing traffic lights, where both cars and pedestrians have equal responsibility to follow the respective signals, suggesting drivers are at fault if a pedestrian steps out on a red signal is simply wrong.
So a pedestrian who decides to walk across the road at a pelican crossing when the little man is red is in the right and the car driver in the wrong? Don't be ridiculous. In a lot of countries the pedestrian would be fined for doing that, the same as they get pulled up for crossing the road anywhere other than a designated crossing place. About time we did that here instead of pandering to idiots and having a situation where people take risks because they can't be arsed to wait a few seconds for the little green man yo appear or hop across the road where they feel like as the effort of walking to a designated crossing point is too much for them.
Nope, I've mentioned several types of crossing, and the discussion related to the crossings near St Stephens, but irrespective of that, even in the case of traffic lights, the same applies. Cars must cede to other road users. I prefer to try good manners an patience and avoiding injuring someone with a tonne of metal.
Ridiculous as it may be, your comments on regulations was simply wrong. I've posted bits of some of the laws that relate. It's up to you if you choose to ignore them in favour of your own. I'm sure the court and the victim's family will listen. I'd be intrigued to see the law that says it's acceptable to run over people because you believe they're stupid.
Unfortunately even in a discussion on more serious matters than football, name changes etc you are reverting to type and making arguments for the sake of it and then making out people have made assertions which they haven't. Maybe someone walking with a red flag in front of cars is the answer? Though the first death of a pedestrian was caused by a car which had a top speed of 5mph.
If you never made those assertions, you'd best find out who has your log in details. Good luck in court. Edit. I guess you're meaning running over people, that's the conclusion drawn from your argument. If it's the pedestrians fault, the driver is innocent if he runs someone over on a crossing if the light is green. The law says otherwise, and starts from the driver being guilty, and needs to show why he isn't.
The thing that killed the whole idea for me was in the forward....Hull becoming the city capital for East Yorkshire & North Lincolnshire !! We had that with Humberside......the South Bank want nothing to do with Hull or the North Bank......many parts of the East Riding have a greater affinity with York than they do with Hull. I'm all in favour of the Northern Powerhouse idea.....but the prospect of Hull being in anyway a capital makes me cringe...... I may have started life in Hull but if there is ever to be a regional powerhouse....then as I'm a Yorkshireman the only regional capital for me can be York...the true capital of the county
We only live in Ferriby.....but we choose to shop in York......I can honestly say Hull is never a place we consider for shopping We have been to Leeds & Sheffield to shop more often than coming into Hull
Well done Dazzar in having your Master Plan featured in the HDM. It would be great if even just one of your conceptions came to fruition.
