Nothing ****y about it, you just posted something really stupid.
No good moaning at me just because I pointed it out.
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Nothing ****y about it, you just posted something really stupid.
No good moaning at me just because I pointed it out.
So whose fault is it when they walk across without looking and are hit by a vehicle which has got a green light? Are only drivers supposed to take notice of red lights?
You only have to look at pedestrians at any crossing. Stand and wait until the light is green, no problems. Instead they jig about looking fir a break in traffic and then steam across. Unfortunately do this where traffic is approaching from more than one direction without looking both ways properly and there is chance of disaster. But, hey, it is people's right to do what they want and ignore regulations and then blame everyone else when something goes wrong.
Actually it was a reasonable point in that Leeds and Sheffield are more easily accessible to a large number of people than Hull is.
They are if you're in Bradford or Rotherham, they're not if you're in Bridlngton or Grimsby.
Obviously they're more accessible from more places, but suggesting Hull doesn't need a decent arena because it hasn't got a big enough catchment is bollocks.
Years ago, British Rail had a Freightliner terminal in Hull. Unfortunately it was at Dairycoates, but the container traffic is an Eastern Docks thing.
The regulations say that motor vehicles cede to pedestrians and cyclists as they have priority on the road. A green light doesn't mean go, it means proceed with caution.
It is a bad junction though, but there are worse. The problem seems to be the lack of consideration for pedestrians by drivers and road designers. I just avoided being run over twice last week, and I was on the path each time.
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That might be what the regulations say, but in practical terms if you step out into the road in front of a car, you'll get squished and as long as it was a green light and the driver wasn't speeding, he faces no chance of prosecution for squishing them.
That junction really is ****, but it's the bus drivers turning in at ridiculous speeds that make it really dangerous. Jameson Street used to bad as well, pedestrians on the pavement were regularly hit by the wing mirrors of lorries and buses.
If you run someone over on a crossing, you run the very real risk of being charged with undue care and attention or manslaughter. The colour of the light may well be offered as mitigation to reduce the sentence, but it's not always going to be accepted as a defence.
So, lights mean nothing if a pedestrian ignores them but a driver can be prosecuted even if he was driving within the speed limits with the lights on green and some brain dead numpty,oblivious to what is going on due to the music blasting through his headphones or because they are engrossed in texting walks straight in front of them?
There are matching pedestrian lights, if the driver follows the lights and the pedestrian doesn't, the driver faces zero chance of prosecution.
A long time ago ( 25 years ) I went to a few council meetings regarding transport and road safety. Buses were never planned or expected to use Brooke street as a short cut to the bus station, they were supposed to go further down King Edward St (?) towards Bev Rd and use Spenser St then turn left onto Ferensway, and then right at the traffic lights in the station.
Good luck trying that one.
The lights mean proceed with caution. Even if they're green, you still have to wait for pedestrians to clear. Ploughing through as you're suggesting would possibly result in a charge of causing death by dangerous driving. It'd certainly be stupid and ignorant.
The law often is, but it's still true.
As the comments on this thread highlight, you're aware your entering a potentially hazardous area and pedestrians can do the unexpected. You should also be driving in anticipation of the lights changing and needing to stop.
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Who said anything about ploughing through? I was referring to a driver proceeding lawfully with the lights on green when some thick as pig **** divvy decides they can just step straight across the road without looking or paying attention. Stupid and ignorant behaviour. Almost as stupid and ignorant as justifying or excusing such behaviour.
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This was about people crossing at Pelicans when the light is on red for pedestrians and green for the motorist.
But drivers do plough through. Too many people have died here. Thats why its an "accident black spot". Some places just are. I lost a friend at Melton, another "accident blackspot" that took ****ing years to sort out. How many died before they did.
Calling people thick as pig **** divvys is pathetic.
A WOMAN has suffered serious injuries after being hit by a bus at an accident blackspot in Hull city centre.
Shortly before 2pm yesterday, police and paramedics raced to the busy road near Paragon Interchange, the same spot where a pensioner was killed crossing the road two years ago.
Roads were partially closed around Margaret Moxon Way as the woman in her 20s was treated for serious injuries.
She was rushed to Hull Royal Infirmary and was in a serious condition last night.
A police spokesman said: "Police received a call at 2pm today reporting a road traffic collision close to Paragon Interchange in Ferensway.
"A pedestrian and a bus were involved in the collision.
"The pedestrian has sustained what are believed to be serious injuries and has been transported to Hull Royal Infirmary."
The accident, involving a single- decker Stagecoach bus, happened at the pedestrian crossing between Paragon Interchange and St Stephen's shopping centre. Only weeks ago, timers were installed at the crossing as a safety measure to prevent further accidents.
A spokesman for Stagecoach said the company was working with police and helping with their investigations.
Office worker Paul Gilson was heading home to Mappleton Grove, east Hull, when he arrived at the crossing just after the accident.
Mr Gilson, 41, said: "This junction is notorious for accidents and the authorities have put measures in place to try to prevent them from happening. I'm not sure what else can be done.
"The crossing often gets crowded at busy times with people accessing the bus and train stations and the shopping centre.
"The only thing that could possibly be done is to introduce a barrier system for the buses."
In November 2010, pensioner Colin Lyon died from head injuries after being knocked down by a bus on the pedestrian crossing.
A subsequent inquest heard Mr Lyon, 70, failed to look before crossing when the red man signal was showing.
Jack Fisher, 14, was also struck by a bus in nearby Brook Street in April 2008.
Jack, of North Road, west Hull, and two friends had used two crossings in Ferensway before reaching Brook Street where the accident happened.
Following Jack's death, his mother, Colette Scholes, backed the introduction of timers at the crossing in Margaret Moxon Way.
Two "countdown timers" were introduced in August, telling people exactly how long they have to cross the road, counting down the time from the green man to the red man, before buses start to move.
Lindsay Mellor, 36, of west Hull, said more should be done to prevent these accidents.
"It is chaos in this area at busy times," she said.
"The traffic is always heavy and the pedestrian crossings often struggle to cope with the number of people using them.
"The countdown system is a good idea and works well but there needs to be more action taken to help prevent further accidents.
"I think the crossings could be made larger and the speed limit in Ferensway could be reduced."
So a 14 year old lad is a thick as pigshit divvy. As the article says he crossed Ferensway ok but the Brook St crossing is bad as you tend to look right but the buses steam through from your left. Thats where i pulled a woman back who did the same. As Balkan says it wasnt supposed to be used for buses, now it is.