Off Topic French plane crash

[Tobes]

Are you really telling me that a pilot of a commercial airline can go to his quacks, get told he's too sick to work, ignore that, go in to work as normal and nobody knows anything about it? I don't know if that's the case, I'm not arguing I'm asking.

If so it's absolutely effn ridiculous.

You'd like to think that a man put in charge of a passenger airline would have enough about him to inform his employers that he was unift for work (for whatever reason). It's not A GP's responsibility to ensure that an employer is aware of their employees health issues, an neither should it be, as 1 case of a lunatic like this, shouldn't have a whole raft of kneejerk "catering for the 1 ****ing idiot in a million" type legislation brought in off the back of it.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

You'd like to think that a man put in charge of a passenger airline would have enough about him to inform his employers that he was unift for work (for whatever reason). It's not A GP's responsibility to ensure that an employer is aware of their employees health issues, an neither should it be, as 1 case of a lunatic like this, shouldn't have a whole raft of kneejerk "catering for the 1 ****ing idiot in a million" type legislation brought in off the back of it.

Entitled to your own opinion but when I get on a plane I want to know if the airline know if he's fit to work or not.

 

[Tobes]

Entitled to your own opinion but when I get on a plane I want to know if the airline know if he's fit to work or not.

This bloke passed a work medical assessment a few weeks before this incident I think.

There's a grave danger that people are going to confuse depression with what this man has done - mass murder. There'll be plenty of pilots out there who have or still do suffer from some form of depression or anxiety, but that doesn't mean that they're suicidal and more importantly suicidal mass murderers.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

This bloke passed a work medical assessment a few weeks before this incident I think.

There's a grave danger that people are going to confuse depression with what this man has done - mass murder. There'll be plenty of pilots out there who have or still do suffer from some form of depression or anxiety, but that doesn't mean that they're suicidal and more importantly suicidal mass murderers.

I'm not confusing anything. I'm wondering how it can be right that someone can be declared unfit for work by a doctor and then nobody else is informed as he jumps behind the wheel of a massive ****ing plane?

 

[PattyNchips2]

This bloke passed a work medical assessment a few weeks before this incident I think.

There's a grave danger that people are going to confuse depression with what this man has done - mass murder. There'll be plenty of pilots out there who have or still do suffer from some form of depression or anxiety, but that doesn't mean that they're suicidal and more importantly suicidal mass murderers.

Depression is a mental illness.
The only way around it is to have psychological evaluations on pilots, there are more than enough pilots to cover those that fail psychological tests.
When you are depressed, you do things that you would not naturally do.

 

[Tobes]

Depression is a mental illness.
The only way around it is to have psychological evaluations on pilots, there are more than enough pilots to cover those that fail psychological tests.
When you are depressed, you do things that you would not naturally do.

They do that already, and this guy had passed them.

 

[Tobes]

I'm not confusing anything. I'm wondering how it can be right that someone can be declared unfit for work by a doctor and then nobody else is informed as he jumps behind the wheel of a massive ****ing plane?

He could have been sniffing beak off a stewardess's tits the night before and you wouldn't know either.

It's called personal responsibiltiy.

 

[PattyNchips2]

They do that already, and this guy had passed them.

if a pilot wants to take a plane down, in reality there is little anyone can do.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

He could have been sniffing beak off a stewardess's tits the night before and you wouldn't know either.

It's called personal responsibiltiy.

Giggitty

 

[Tobes]

if a pilot wants to take a plane down, in reality there is little anyone can do.

Exactly. Fortunately there are very few selfish ****tards like this **** on the planet.

 

[PattyNchips2]

Exactly. Fortunately there are very few selfish ****tards like this **** on the planet.

he should have parachuted out, see if he could survive.

 

[captain caveman]

Exactly right and some of the reporting (Daily Mail) has been poor.

Many people suffer from depression, some sufferers get to the point where they feel suicidal and some follow through with it. However, what this man did was not merely suicide, as he carried out an act that he knew was going to result in 149 innocent deaths. Virtually all suicide victims take their own lives with no thought of 'taking anyone with them', this man was so self absorbed that he patently did. He goes to the grave as a mass murderer. Fortunately people like this prick are extremely rare - like all mass murderers

That is an incredibly ignorant post, you clearly have no knowledge of mental illness at all. This guy was ill, he needed help. I would guess (because I don't know the facts) that the rest of the people on the plane never crossed his mind. The acts of a person with mental illness appear to be perfectly rational to them, but not to anyone else. I fear that this will undo all the good work in raising awareness of mental health and further stigmatise those who suffer.
The more stigma attached to mental illness, the less likely those suffering will come forward to get the help they need.

 

[Tobes]

That is an incredibly ignorant post, you clearly have no knowledge of mental illness at all. This guy was ill, he needed help. I would guess (because I don't know the facts) that the rest of the people on the plane never crossed his mind. The acts of a person with mental illness appear to be perfectly rational to them, but not to anyone else. I fear that this will undo all the good work in raising awareness of mental health and further stigmatise those who suffer.
The more stigma attached to mental illness, the less likely those suffering will come forward to get the help they need.

Firstly **** off with the attempted patronising tone and I have first hand experience of mental illness you assumptive ****

The guy made a conscious decision to take down an aircraft in order to kill himself - knowing that he was going to end the lives of 149 others. To say that thought would have never crossed his mind is utter bollocks.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

I wish all the people who keep claiming others have no idea of mental health would put their qualifications on the table

 

[PattyNchips2]

I wish all the people who keep claiming others have no idea of mental health would put their qualifications on the table

I have some idea about how debilitating depression can be, I know that people do things that are irrational and yet seem perfectly normal to them - But apart from that, not many people can talk first hand about it, either they haven't survived or they are in a mental ward somewhere.

 

[TheCasual]

That is an incredibly ignorant post, you clearly have no knowledge of mental illness at all. This guy was ill, he needed help. I would guess (because I don't know the facts) that the rest of the people on the plane never crossed his mind. The acts of a person with mental illness appear to be perfectly rational to them, but not to anyone else. I fear that this will undo all the good work in raising awareness of mental health and further stigmatise those who suffer.
The more stigma attached to mental illness, the less likely those suffering will come forward to get the help they need.

Top post.

The problem is people don't get it. They think rationally about irrational illness.

 

[Fez]

Pathfinders( soldiers who jump in prior to an Airborne assault to mark out the drop zones) jump at an altitude of 35,000 feet when HALO or HAHO jumping.

A HALO jump( High Altitude Low Opening) can be quite dangerous apparently as they deploy the parachute at the last possible moment to avoid detection.

I haven't done one but I know a man who has.


I'll ask him if his blood has ever boiled next time I see him.

I have good friend who made a HALO into the Falklands 2 weeks before our landings; it would be his piss that would boil if he read some of the **** on here.

 

[originallambrettaman]

I wish all the people who keep claiming others have no idea of mental health would put their qualifications on the table

I'll start.

I'm a bit bonkers me.

 

[captain caveman]

I wish all the people who keep claiming others have no idea of mental health would put their qualifications on the table

My qualifications to talk about mental illness are worn. Would you like to see my wrists?
I am able to talk freely about it, without shame, because the level of awareness has increased and the stigma attached has decreased.
Someone like tobes, who say they have experience of it, I have no reason to doubt you, yet display little sympathy or understanding of someones thought processes before they did a truly terrible thing.
In my opinion, attitudes like his will set us back ten years.

 

[PLT]

Depression is a mental illness.

Think you might be onto something there Pat.