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Off Topic French plane crash

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  1. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
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    That doesn't sound likely, if the pilots passed out while the door was switched to lock, then nobody would be able to gain emergency access to help them, which would be ridiculous.

    Either way, it wasn't a factor here, as there was no attempt to use the keypad to gain entry.
     
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  2. PattyNchips2

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    have they found the other blackbox yet? I know they have 2, 1 is voice recordings and the other records the mechanics of the aircraft.
    the second one will tell if the pilot tried to gain access with the keypad.
     
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    They can tell from the cockpit voice recorder that the door alarm didn't go off.
     
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    The video shows that, the two pilots passed out, but the switch is in norm mode and the key pad works
     
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  5. PattyNchips2

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    I wonder why the pilot didn't remember to use it.
    the only thing I can think of, is that: the pilot that left realised that he had done wrong by leaving the cockpit, and then panicked when he couldn't get back in.
     
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  6. originallambrettaman

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    The video doesn't mention what would happen if it was switched to lock, but it would be ridiculous if it didn't open.

    There would be no point in having an override, if it didn't actually work in an emergency, so it will do.
     
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  7. PattyNchips2

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    ah but can the cockpit locking mechanism be overridden by the keypad ?
    if not, it should be.
    I don't think it will be long before we have pilot-less airplanes. most crashes are caused by human error anyhow. RARELY do things go catastrophically wrong that a pilot needs to use his 30+ years of experience to land a 747.
     
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  8. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

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    The '9/11' terrorists had trained as pilots. I think this procedure was evolved to stop trained pilots/terrorists being able to over-ride the door lock.

    Maybe?
     
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  9. PattyNchips2

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    the only thing wrong with the video is that both the pilot and copilot aren't supposed to drink out of the same bottle, same as they aren't both supposed to have the Chicken for lunch.
     
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  10. balkan tiger

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    It was an emergency and they couldn't open the door.
    We may have to agree to disagree here, at least until the details come out.
    Remember the new door was introduced after 9-11 to keep terrorsts out of the cockpit at all cost.
     
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  11. Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC

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    Blimey! I seem to be in agreement with Patty. <yikes>

    I'm off to lie down.......
     
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    guess they never thought the door could keep one of their own out.
     
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  13. PattyNchips2

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    <laugh> I told you, when I can be arsed, I do actually take this thing seriously.... rarely... but it does happen.
     
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  14. originallambrettaman

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    They didn't try to open the door(at least not using the keypad), according to the airline.
     
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  15. PattyNchips2

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    according to that video, all it would do is alert the pilot to someone wanting to gain access.
    That is kinda useless in an emergency.
     
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    I saw some expert on Sky News sat in flight simulator earlier today giving an explanation.

    There are three settings for the door in the cockpit.

    Locked, unlocked and neutral.

    If the pilot in the cock pit sets it to lock there's **** all anyone outside the cockpit can do about it.

    It would be highly unlikely that a pilot falling unconscious would knock the switch to lock, it would have to be done deliberately.
     
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  17. PattyNchips2

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    this topic is very interesting to me cos I fly to TX often.
     
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    The ONLY thing I can think of, is a pilot-less airplane.
    how many people know whether there is a pilot onboard anyhow ?
    the 30 seconds he takes to introduce himself at the beginning of the flight, and the sporadic "were hitting some turbulence, please return to your seat and fasten your seatbelt"
     
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  19. Amin Yapusi

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    Armed security staff on each flight, possibly drafted in from the military, with posession of a master code that over rides all?

    A pilot area, where a pilot never had to leave, including a toilet etc.

    Remote access?

    Maybe just a master code for both pilots?

    Nuke the Middle East?
     
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  20. originallambrettaman

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    Seems bonkers, there must be a chance they could pass out and knock the switch.
     
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