CTWD publishes its draft vision, aims and objectives

[Amin Arrears]

To be fair Fez, until April we were an organisation campaigning against the actions of our owners(or more specifically, one action) and we're not yet officially a supporters trust, so it's hardly surprising that it will take time for relations to thaw.

The fact is, that we were invited to participate in the Fan Group Meetings and as officers of CTWD we could have been excluded and it's no secret we were there, James Mooney stated in his email to everyone that CTWD were invited, he knew that the details of those meetings would be publicised and the owners are well aware of what's being posted on the message boards.

Does that mean Assem is aware of those of us calling him a senile old ****?

 

[originallambrettaman]

So, if the current CTWD becomes a trust, then has a vote and doesn't get a majority in favour of the trust, what happens to CTWD and would the trust just carry on with fewer members?

CTWD members have already voted to become a trust, so it will become one, but as it has to have a new constitution and membership rules, existing CTWD members(and new members) will have to agree to join, buy a share in the trust, pay an annual membership fee(both are very small) and re-vote in the committee(or replace it).

Existing memberships for CTWD will expire at that point and new membership cards will be issued.

Next week CTWD will publish some FAQ's addressing all these sort of issues.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Does that mean Assem is aware of those of us calling him a senile old ****?

I suspect one of our owners knows far more about what's posted on here than the other, so no, Assem probably isn't aware.

 

[FLG]

Hi Ehab

 

[balkan tiger]

Hi Ehab

Made me laugh.

 

[Quill]

Hi Ehab

I approve of this

 

[originallambrettaman]

hi ehab

arf!

 

[Amin Arrears]

I don't mind Ehab, he seems like a decent chap who's been thrown in the ocean and left to sink or swim.

His dad's a ****ing lunatic who's disrespect and arrogance towards us supporters is intolerable. A rich snobby **** of the highest degree.

At least Ehab can show respect and civility and doesn't tell us to go and die.

 

[Fez]

I don't believe there is anything sudden about this metamorphosis (of CTWD) into a Trust; it has been a gradual procedure since the Spring.

CTWD only can speak for its members; to claim otherwise is misleading and incorrect.

Expecting current postholders to rule out any future involvement on the club board is unrealistic and opens the door to future claims of dishonesty - it's a gratuitous point and should be dealt with at a more appropriate time.

The 'Hip-Flask' nonsense requires a strong and clearly made apology for the unnecessary offence and lack of judgment inherent is seeming to be associated and supportive of the mindless gift. If that is not forthcoming then the chairman needs to reconsider his position. All of the conciliatory words and actions penned by CTWD are worthless, otherwise.

Steve Bruce makes a point of giving the owners great credit for what has been achieved on the pitch, perhaps it is nothing more than reasonable to accept that, as it is blatantly true - it reflects on all concerned, just as failure does.

I think you're right, to a point, about bodies being representative, although those you name are given some form of official recognition by a relevant authority; perhaps, at some point, CTWD will be able to demonstrate their level of standing through to the FSF and the FA. I am both a member and still supportive of CTWD, although I will question when I feel it appropriate.

The name will be revisited again ahead of the trust being formed, we are obviously aware that it will alienate some fans and it's important that a supporters trust is an inclusive as possible. It's something that we will consult on via threads like this and our social media sites ahead of a decision being made.

The way the fan group came about, individuals were asked to contact the club if they were interested in being involved and that's what's happened, as far as I'm aware groups were not approached to put someone forward to represent them. Obviously James Mooney will be aware of certain people being involved in certain organisations and that may have shaped who got invited to a point, but as far as I know everyone applied as individuals.

CTWD currently have 1855 members, the OSC have less(I'm sure someone on here will know the actual number), then there's the Senior Tigers, the HC Southern Supporters, the Ulltras and possibly others with smaller memberships, though many of these will be members of one/both of the two main organisations.

I'd think that all of the above mentioned groups will have direct contact with the club to some degree.

I'm just saying (and agreeing with a few on here) that the only way this will work and the only way you'll maintain credibility and backing, is if you take great care ( or at least a lot more than AA) in making sure you genuinely have the majority's voice represented.

This may not be achieved in memberships but through thorough referendums or surveys.

Personally, if I read that the Supporter's trust are pushing for something "in the name of the majority" , I expect it to have indeed come up with an easy way to collate those opinions and to have genuine feedback, including mine.

If world politics is anything to go by, we should all know by now how much power corrupts the mind. And what starts as a lovely idea "giving the People a voice"
usually ends up as "giving the people at the helm's agenda a voice".

If you're going to go up against someone like AA who likes to throw words about like "silent majority" and other random estimates to back his argument, make sure not to play that same game or you will lose credibility. Or at least my trust and I'm sure many others' who will then see it as your everyday political bull**** back and forth where both sides are culpable of the same things.

If you ensure there are things in place to prevent such corruption then I think it'll go down well within the masses.

Are these CTWD answers or OLM answers, as the new log in was created to clarify CTWD's position.

They just need to make sure that there's an easy way to collate opinions. There will never be able to get everyone's opinions... Some people won't be arsed to fill in a survey or what not but I think the majority are somewhere in the middle where they're happy to be heard, happy to fill in a quick form etc... without being heavily invested or members of the Trust.

I just want w Trust to not stoop to AA's level by telling fibs about x number of people backing his stance or a "silent majority". Do things thoroughly and properly and the people will follow!

Firstly, bored members (sic) of this topic, move on, what are you doing on here - Patches, I'm depending on you son . . .

CTWD (OLM & AlRawdah, who seem to be the custodians of this thread)

You have put a thread up for questions and totally failed to understand the posts you have generated. I have copied a few pertinent ones, but I would have thought you would have followed this thread in detail, I don't believe you have - that smacks of lip-service and disrespect.

OLM - why do you seem to think you need to explain to me about the need to allow for the evolution process of CTWD from campaign group to trust? You have responded and been involved in conversations on this and other threads where I have explained and defended that point.

AlRawdah - read the ****ing posts and stop talking condescending bull**** - it takes a bit to make me swear, but bloody hell . . .

There were decent conversations going on and then DMD started one of his usual posts of attrition; to be fair to him it seems he had at least a part of a point.

I hope I have successfully highlighted Wade Wilson's final paragraph, because it embodies everything I hold dear to what we, the supporters, should be - honest. I would like to thank him for that, as it pulled away the veils of half-truths and nonsense that you are all very clearly involved in.

I think AlRawdah said something about me having an issue from the past - he's right, I have detested the lies, half truths and manipulations of our club to it's supporters - let's just say these shenanigans of CTWD impress not at all. First rule if you wish to manipulate and mask the facts, do it in the background, do it quickly and don't try and be something you are not - in this case genuine to your membership.

Very disappointed, but not too surprised; the closer you get to Modor, the more Precious you become.

 

[FLG]

...Patches, I'm depending on you son . . .

.

 

[DMD]

There were decent conversations going on and then DMD started one of his usual posts of attrition; to be fair to him it seems he had at least a part of a point.

FEZ posts to DMD

I would have thought that, as the Trust is yet to fully evolve and there does not appear to be any communication between the Trust and Hull City board, many of these questions are either academic or premature; the remainder either common-sense or at most, easily found through Google. It may not be the case, but this questioning comes across (to me) as no more than an exercise in getting folk to jump through pointless hoops. I may be wrong, but it is the impression it leaves with me.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Firstly, bored members (sic) of this topic, move on, what are you doing on here - Patches, I'm depending on you son . . .

CTWD (OLM & AlRawdah, who seem to be the custodians of this thread)

You have put a thread up for questions and totally failed to understand the posts you have generated. I have copied a few pertinent ones, but I would have thought you would have followed this thread in detail, I don't believe you have - that smacks of lip-service and disrespect.

OLM - why do you seem to think you need to explain to me about the need to allow for the evolution process of CTWD from campaign group to trust? You have responded and been involved in conversations on this and other threads where I have explained and defended that point.

AlRawdah - read the ****ing posts and stop talking condescending bull**** - it takes a bit to make me swear, but bloody hell . . .

There were decent conversations going on and then DMD started one of his usual posts of attrition; to be fair to him it seems he had at least a part of a point.

I hope I have successfully highlighted Wade Wilson's final paragraph, because it embodies everything I hold dear to what we, the supporters, should be - honest. I would like to thank him for that, as it pulled away the veils of half-truths and nonsense that you are all very clearly involved in.

I think AlRawdah said something about me having an issue from the past - he's right, I have detested the lies, half truths and manipulations of our club to it's supporters - let's just say these shenanigans of CTWD impress not at all. First rule if you wish to manipulate and mask the facts, do it in the background, do it quickly and don't try and be something you are not - in this case genuine to your membership.

Very disappointed, but not too surprised; the closer you get to Modor, the more Precious you become.

Sorry Fez, you've lost me.

I know perfectly well that you understand what's going on, your summations were bang on, I'm not sure what you're taking issue with?

 

[Fez]

FEZ posts to DMD

You're doing your normal nonsense, seems to amuse you, say' s nowt though, does it? By the way, got any of those answers yet?

 

[DMD]

You're doing your normal nonsense, seems to amuse you, say' s nowt though, does it? By the way, got any of those answers yet?

Fez, I asked questions of CTWD, which is what this thread is for, they have answered. I have no idea what your issue is, other than being tedious.

Don't be screwing up another thread.


I tell you what, please accept my unreserved apology for whatever it is that I've done that upsets you. You're quite right with your argument.

Now, can we move on?

 

[Fez]

Sorry Fez, you've lost me.

I know perfectly well that you understand what's going on, your summations were bang on, I'm not sure what you're taking issue with?

To be fair Fez, until April we were an organisation campaigning against the actions of our owners(or more specifically, one action) and we're not yet officially a supporters trust, so it's hardly surprising that it will take time for relations to thaw.

So my summations were spot on, I understand . . .

. . . That comes across as a very condescending remark that says you think the total opposite.

Do you not see that?

 

[Fez]

Fez, I asked questions of CTWD, which is what this thread is for, they have answered. I have no idea what your issue is, other than being tedious.

Don't be screwing up another thread.


I tell you what, please accept my unreserved apology for whatever it is that I've done that upsets you. You're quite right with your argument.

Now, can we move on?

Accepted, move on. Jeez, that was far easier than normal.

I think you'll find it the owners of the thread that have screwed it; we were just accomplices.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Fez, I asked questions of CTWD, which is what this thread is for, they have answered. I have no idea what your issue is, other than being tedious.

Don't be screwing up another thread.


I tell you what, please accept my unreserved apology for whatever it is that I've done that upsets you. You're quite right with your argument.

Now, can we move on?

My jaw has just hit the floor...

 

[Spook]

Firstly, bored members (sic) of this topic, move on, what are you doing on here - Patches, I'm depending on you son . . .

CTWD (OLM & AlRawdah, who seem to be the custodians of this thread)

You have put a thread up for questions and totally failed to understand the posts you have generated. I have copied a few pertinent ones, but I would have thought you would have followed this thread in detail, I don't believe you have - that smacks of lip-service and disrespect.

OLM - why do you seem to think you need to explain to me about the need to allow for the evolution process of CTWD from campaign group to trust? You have responded and been involved in conversations on this and other threads where I have explained and defended that point.

AlRawdah - read the ****ing posts and stop talking condescending bull**** - it takes a bit to make me swear, but bloody hell . . .

There were decent conversations going on and then DMD started one of his usual posts of attrition; to be fair to him it seems he had at least a part of a point.

I hope I have successfully highlighted Wade Wilson's final paragraph, because it embodies everything I hold dear to what we, the supporters, should be - honest. I would like to thank him for that, as it pulled away the veils of half-truths and nonsense that you are all very clearly involved in.

I think AlRawdah said something about me having an issue from the past - he's right, I have detested the lies, half truths and manipulations of our club to it's supporters - let's just say these shenanigans of CTWD impress not at all. First rule if you wish to manipulate and mask the facts, do it in the background, do it quickly and don't try and be something you are not - in this case genuine to your membership.

Very disappointed, but not too surprised; the closer you get to Modor, the more Precious you become.

I'm bored of the petty arguments regurgitated on every thread to do with the topic. Aren't you?

Also, it always the same people with the same argument, and it always results in ****ty ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do with debate at all. Saying people are "pissed" or "stupid" for having an opinion is getting tedious.

Aren't the majority of you grown men? You wouldn't think so after reading some of the crap on here.

 

[originallambrettaman]

So my summations were spot on, I understand . . .

. . . That comes across as a very condescending remark that says you think the total opposite.

Do you not see that?

I didn't think it was condescending at all, apologies if you did, it was certainly not my intention.

 

[Fez]

I'm bored of the petty arguments regurgitated on every thread to do with the topic. Aren't you?

Also, it always the same people with the same argument, and it always results in ****ty ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do with debate at all. Saying people are "pissed" or "stupid" for having an opinion is getting tedious.

Aren't the majority of you grown men? You wouldn't think so after reading some of the crap on here.

I knew I could rely on you

Yes I do get fed up, but I care. I think I have made my point - I didn't set on that course , but here we are. Don't underestimate the effort of CTWD, indeed, don't underestimate the efforts of the owners, but honesty shines through.