CTWD publishes its draft vision, aims and objectives

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originallambrettaman said:
I think it's safe to say to that James Mooney is somewhat nervous about official contact with CTWD and to the amount of representation they have on the Fan Working Group, I don't think it's any secret that his employer is not our biggest fan.

It's easier for him to invite an individual who's involved in CTWD, rather than to formally invite CTWD to attend as an organisation. Hopefully, as CTWD develop into a supporters trust, this situation will change, as there really is no reason why CTWD shouldn't be formally invited to these meetings, they are the largest Hull City fan group after all.

The reality is, that there were three representatives of CTWD at the Fan Working Group meeting this week, they were invited in the full knowledge that they were representatives of CTWD and James Mooney made it clear during the meeting that he invited me to represent CTWD, so from that point of view there is obviously direct dialogue between representatives of the club and representatives of CTWD.

How much this has the blessing of the owners, I've no idea, but I certainly don't think it's happening without their knowledge.
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AlRawdah said:
Thanks OLM. Adding to that:

The club had no contact with CTWD prior to announcing the stand move - official or unofficial.

As OLM says out invite to the fans' group is formal, albeit offered a little nervously by a member of staff that few to extreme lengths to avoid the risk of irking his bosses. Fair enough I suppose given their reputation. Other contacts are more one to one and informal, discussing issues that matter to CTWD. Does that constitute a pals network? I e no idea, I'm not really sure what that means. Certainly some CTWD officers could never be described at "pals" of key staff but there is communication nonetheless.

Does CTWD have official standing and recognition with the club? Again, I'm not sure what that truly means. But they communicate with us and invite people they know to be our officers to their events - so I guess that implies a degree of official acceptance of our status as a supporters' group.
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Thanks for your responses. You have confirmed that the waters are muddied; deliberately so. there is no formal recognition, far from it. A member of Hull City's management team is acting in a maverick fashion to try and counter the stupidity of the owner(s). He does not invite CTWD, he invites individuals, not their appointments within CTWD. CTWD does have communication with the club, but it is not official and, as you have made clear, it is under constant threat of exposure and derision by the owners. This is not how it is being portrayed to the membership of CTWD and this board (and others). It is easy to list a meetings attendees and give them their appointments, but it is meaningless if you have to be secretive (to a point, I know) about who knows; especially if that club owner is enacting a false act of snubbing some of them.
Let's get rid of the half truths and posturing and deal with it as it is. We got there, didn't we.
 
Fez said:
Thanks for your responses. You have confirmed that the waters are muddied; deliberately so. there is no formal recognition, far from it. A member of Hull City's management team is acting in a maverick fashion to try and counter the stupidity of the owner(s). He does not invite CTWD, he invites individuals, not their appointments within CTWD. CTWD does have communication with the club, but it is not official and, as you have made clear, it is under constant threat of exposure and derision by the owners. This is not how it is being portrayed to the membership of CTWD and this board (and others). It is easy to list a meetings attendees and give them their appointments, but it is meaningless if you have to be secretive (to a point, I know) about who knows; especially if that club owner is enacting a false act of snubbing some of them.
Let's get rid of the half truths and posturing and deal with it as it is. We got there, didn't we.
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To be fair Fez, until April we were an organisation campaigning against the actions of our owners(or more specifically, one action) and we're not yet officially a supporters trust, so it's hardly surprising that it will take time for relations to thaw.

The fact is, that we were invited to participate in the Fan Group Meetings and as officers of CTWD we could have been excluded and it's no secret we were there, James Mooney stated in his email to everyone that CTWD were invited, he knew that the details of those meetings would be publicised and the owners are well aware of what's being posted on the message boards.
 
Fez there is no secretiveness on the part of CTWD (or in your terms, half truths and posturing), as evidenced by the tracts of text that you quoted. You may have some past issue that you are referring to, forgive me if I've no knowledge of that.

How James conducts himself in conversation about CTWD with Ehab (probably quite openly) and Assem (probably less openly, but I've no real certainty either way) is a question to address to James, not CTWD. We get invited, we go along, we get involved, we complain when promises are broken. I strongly believe that is the way officers of an organisation like ours should conduct themselves.
 
AlRawdah said:
I haven’t got the CTWD login details with me at work, but given that this thread has careered out of control I thought I’d try and answer some of the key points raised so that there can be some clarity as to what CTWD’s position is. If necessary, I will copy and paste this posting and send it from the CTWD account tonight.

Contact with the club – yes we have contact with the club, through the Fans Group and through ad hoc discussions that individuals may have. Our beef with the Fans Group last Tuesday is that it was the club’s marketing man that chose who from CTWD’s committee attended, not CTWD’s committee. We will hopefully iron that out – but we had several people round the table this week and we assume that will continue.

Supporters’ Trust – I’ve sent links to various pages on the Supporters’ Direct website, some of which go into considerable detail and show the model constitution for Trusts to adopt. It is our intention that we go down the route of setting up a Trust affiliated with Supporters’ Direct – this is what practically every other Trust has done, their expertise is invaluable and they can provide funding (from Premier League grants) for tasks that would otherwise cost Trusts. We are finalising some Supporters’ Trust FAQs, these will be published next week and will provide more background.

A seat on the Board – we simply can’t offer a meaningful detailed answer on this issue, we can’t say what a seat on the Board would mean for a Supporters’ Trust, or what it would entail, or how much it would cost, or who would be that Board member. For the simple reason that no offer has been put on the table, nor will it be for some time, we assume. Our approach to any offer to take a seat on the Board, should it ever arise, will be to compare that offer to our stated and agreed aims and objectives – and if the offer meets those objectives in the round (not just the one that says “get a seat on the Board”) then we will consider, in dialogue with our members, whether to accept that offer.

There is no assumption that the Trust chairman would be the person who one day assumes the seat on the Board. It would be a member. It would need to be a member who has the best blend of skills to contribute to Board issues and fight the Trust’s corner. And it would be selected democratically by the Committee and most probably the majority view of the entire membership.

Thanks for all the contributions to this thread, which will be reported back to the CTWD committee for discussion. We aim to start some new threads for discussion next week.
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Why should you have that. You are only a small part of the fan base and probably a very small part of the season pass holders. I'd rather have invites go out to all the pass holders and take a broader spectrum of views. It sounds like you want to be the only people round the table with James Mooney.
 
originallambrettaman said:
I think it's safe to say to that James Mooney is somewhat nervous about official contact with CTWD and to the amount of representation they have on the Fan Working Group, I don't think it's any secret that his employer is not our biggest fan.

It's easier for him to invite an individual who's involved in CTWD, rather than to formally invite CTWD to attend as an organisation. Hopefully, as CTWD develop into a supporters trust, this situation will change, as there really is no reason why CTWD shouldn't be formally invited to these meetings, they are the largest Hull City fan group after all.

The reality is, that there were three representatives of CTWD at the Fan Working Group meeting this week, they were invited in the full knowledge that they were representatives of CTWD and James Mooney made it clear during the meeting that he invited me to represent CTWD, so from that point of view there is obviously direct dialogue between representatives of the club and representatives of CTWD.

How much this has the blessing of the owners, I've no idea, but I certainly don't think it's happening without their knowledge.
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Think the not606 Hull City board are the largest fan group.
 
originallambrettaman said:
Eh?

The trust obviously has to be formed before anyone can join it.

There is no minimum number of members.
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So, if the current CTWD becomes a trust, then has a vote and doesn't get a majority in favour of the trust, what happens to CTWD and would the trust just carry on with fewer members?
 
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