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Hope your mum's okay mate. These guys are scum, they represent no one else but themselves.

Cheers mate. Yes, she's fine and probably enjoying being able to tell everyone all about it if I'm honest. The thing is, she's not as tough as she thinks and you never know what a fall would do. As far as I know the other lady is fine too and its no harm done all round. You're right about them being scum.
 
My mum, who is a pensioner, was at an event at St George's Tron church in Nelson Mandela place last night. The event was to celebrate the charity work that she had been involved in during the commonwealth games and had nothing to do with the referendum in which she voted no. When she arrived at Queens Street station there was a peaceful get together going on. She assumed it was a Yes celebration because it was mainly Saltires being waved. As she was walking to the church (its only 200 yards if that) she was passed by a group of Union Jack waving thugs who charged towards George Square. She got nothing more than a fright and the offense of being sworn at. Others were less lucky, including another elderly woman who was knocked off her feet by those running past. Nobody stopped to see if she was ok. Not long after that, the police entered the church and advised them to lock the doors and not let anybody leave, as two groups of thugs had charged George Square from either end in an organised attempt to attack the Yes campaign celebration. The same policeman also said the violence looked to have been carried out by members of the orange order judging by the slogans on the Union Jacks. Two hours later everyone was still locked in the church for their own safety. Eventually my mum and the others there were given a police escort away from the church and taken to Partick station because the violence was still going on at Queen Street.

I don't fall down on either side of the sectarian debate, but those bastards there last night - nothing more than vile animals - need to take a long hard look at themselves. Big hard men frightening elderly women and knocking them to the ground, disrupting people going about their business and bringing shame to Glasgow and Scotland. I hope the police identify all of them, prosecute them and throw away the keys. These were 100% unionist supporters. What would they have done if they hadn't won???

Hmm. so one polis thought it was the Orange Order whilst Dev thought it was the EDL?
Why not bring the UVF, UFF. UDA, UDR into it & blame them?

Why the **** would the winning side cause trouble?
 
There you go again, a real need for change for who, the 1.5m+ minority who voted yes or the 2m+ majority who voted no?

Have you not been paying attention? I have given my opinion which you clearly disagree with but what the hell do you think people wanted when they voted Yes? Change.

What does it matter what the winning margin was, the cause is unchanged by the result, the hope was for change, a change in how democracy works, changes in the way we make and spend money, changes in the way our people are given a voice, many many changes. I don't honestly know how you can think that's something that you can argue about and expect to convince anyone.
 
Hmm. so one polis thought it was the Orange Order whilst Dev thought it was the EDL?
Why not bring the UVF, UFF. UDA, UDR into it & blame them?

Why the **** would the winning side cause trouble?

Dev still says the EDL were involved, Dev also says the LOL were involved, and some Rangers fans too, Dev did not want to go down that road in case he was accused of point scoring, he forgot that people will think him biased if accuses anyone of wrongdoing who is not Irish or a Celtic fan.

Lots of the far right were involved, so if you don't know why the winning side would cause trouble then you have obviously lived a sheltered life. These scum, the dregs of society, do not need an excuse for trouble, it's in their psyche.
 
Have you not been paying attention? I have given my opinion which you clearly disagree with but what the hell do you think people wanted when they voted Yes? Change.

What does it matter what the winning margin was, the cause is unchanged by the result, the hope was for change, a change in how democracy works, changes in the way we make and spend money, changes in the way our people are given a voice, many many changes. I don't honestly know how you can think that's something that you can argue about and expect to convince anyone.

It matters because it was a democratic process in which the majority decided to remain part of the UK and the minority continue promote their failed ideals.

The majority had the sense to see through the false promises and pipe dreams of the 'yes' campaign who should now accept the result and stop ****ing whinging.

And yes, I have been paying attention and what I see from what you have posted, is a bitter person who can not accept a democratic decision by continuing their futile argument. <ok>
 
It matters because it was a democratic process in which the majority decided to remain part of the UK and the minority continue promote their failed ideals.

The majority had the sense to see through the false promises and pipe dreams of the yes campaign who should now accept the result and stop ****ing whinging.

So why does the winning margin matter when 45% voted for change? Is that proof that NO ONE wanted change? <confused>

And i'm not whinging, so if you've seen evidence of it elsewhere then you must read a different paper to me, or watch different news programmes. People have accepted but the debate will naturally continue .
 
So why does the winning margin matter when 45% voted for change? Is that proof that NO ONE wanted change? <confused>

And i'm not whinging, so if you've seen evidence of it elsewhere then you must read a different paper to me, or watch different news programmes. People have accepted but the debate will naturally continue .

You have no concept of democracy have you?
 
I think the need for change in the way British democracy works and the need for Scottish independence are somewhat different matters. A lot of people in the north and south-west of England would agree that the system needs updating. That doesn't mean that we'd be better off dividing and sub-dividing into smaller and smaller tribes however.

The 45% yes vote has probably been a wake-up call for Westminster, and that's good. The SNP's basic principle is, however, sh*t and the wrong way to go about it.
 
Dev still says the EDL were involved, Dev also says the LOL were involved, and some Rangers fans too, Dev did not want to go down that road in case he was accused of point scoring, he forgot that people will think him biased if accuses anyone of wrongdoing who is not Irish or a Celtic fan.

Lots of the far right were involved, so if you don't know why the winning side would cause trouble then you have obviously lived a sheltered life. These scum, the dregs of society, do not need an excuse for trouble, it's in their psyche.

A sheltered life? I've lead owt but!!!
Dregs of society you say?
Like the knackers who sing pro IRA songs at Paradise Park?
Is that what you mean?
 
I think the need for change in the way British democracy works and the need for Scottish independence are somewhat different matters. A lot of people in the north and south-west of England would agree that the system needs updating. That doesn't mean that we'd be better off dividing and sub-dividing into smaller and smaller tribes however.

The 45% yes vote has probably been a wake-up call for Westminster, and that's good. The SNP's basic principle is, however, sh*t and the wrong way to go about it.

My feelings exactly <ok>
 
A sheltered life? I've lead owt but!!!
Dregs of society you say?
Like the knackers who sing pro IRA songs at Paradise Park?
Is that what you mean?

You've not lived a sheltered life but you have not seen the extreme right wing join forces in an attempt to cobble together a single brain? You should get out more.

As for pro IRA songs at Celtic Park (Not Paradise Park), that's a different subject entirely, and a neutral (or even a biased observer) can smell a subject being changed at a mile off. We were discussing the events at George Square I believe and the wider implications of the referendum? Try and stay On Topic <ok>