Hull ......

[FER ARK]

he said he doesn't care about the club. he's a neutral. i don't want to know what a neutral thinks.

As are the allams, in his interview Ehab stated they aren't supporters, just businessmen

 

[balkan tiger]

Rather than just being angry with you, I'll come back to ask a question:

I have zero doubt whatsoever that Allam's end-game is to have a non-geographically linked football team. After changing the name to Hull Tigers the next step in his plan is to remove the word Hull. He also wants us to have our home outside of the city in a nondescript place. Think the Juventus model if you like, not linked to a city in any way and therefore the best supported club in the country by an absolute mile. I think they have 5 times more registered fans than any other Italian club.

So to the question....

If Allam gets his initial name change and stays on as owner, when does it become 'a step too far'? You say you support the team from Hull, will you support his team if he moves them out of the city's boundary? He has already very publicly said he wants to do this so if he wins his initial name change battle he will view it that he has a mandate to move the stadium. I mean, the fans can hardly complain, he's already said he wants to do this. And then what if he drops the name Hull so it simply become Tigers - is that too far for you?

Good point and the very reason that the FA have to stand up and say once and for all NO and thats the end. I see it as the first step down the road to franchise football, like american football. Some american football clubs have moved hundreds of miles to a bigger or better stadium. Nightmare scenario, Leeds decline continues and they go bust. a big stadium going free, why don't the Tigers move there ? and who will follow the team. Some Leeds fans would protest but the majority would welcome the chance to see premier league football in their city.

 

[Fez]

You're just called a ****ing **** on here if you do that.

Then ignore them, treat it with contempt and state your fairly held view. You might of noticed, it is the way of these forums; sad, but true.

I wasn't there tonight.

But my feeling as a city fan is that it isn't against the name. It's against the protest against the name change. It's a different thing all together.

Like ctwd say, it's not a protest against the owner just the name change.

Tonight was against the protest not the name.

Does that make sense?

I agree with you, on this. The booing was very specifically aimed at the 19:04 chanters, no one else and at no other time. In my opinion it was crass to have to witness it, but I can understand why they did it and, when I say they, it was a significant number from all sides of the stadium. They had as much right to boo the chant as the chanters had to make their point - what everyone now needs to determine is whether it is good or beneficial to their arguments to do so - whether chanter or booer.

As this was the first such occurrence of booing, I am guessing that it was reluctant, but once started, many joined the spontaneous moment - they vented their frustration with the situation. But which situation? is it the Allam lies and name-change campaign? Clearly not the driver, IMO. Is it the on-going CTWD campaign? Yes, it probably is, IMO.

To be fair, I do not believe the CTWD campaign group has done anything other than issue a statement (in response to Allam's ridiculous and insulting interview), but many (non-CTWD members and maybe some members) now want to move on, away from the campaign and it's statements and opinions. Some ask the question whether or not there is a purpose, as many say, quite emphatically, that the name-change cannot and will not happen; so why stoke the owners mischievous burners, why give his ego fodder, why not stay quiet and let process follow it's rightful course - if, that is, if the result of his application is so certain to be a no-change verdict.

CTWD have some responsibility in all of this, just as we all do, but it wrong to label them as holding the opinions, endorsing the posts and/or actions of the moronic element (here and elsewhere), or to believe they are not entitled to express their view - something they have always done peacefully and with measured dignity.

Now the booing has started, the nature of the beast would indicate louder CTWD chants and louder booing - Allam has passed his character on to some of his customers. He, Mr Allam, is a liar and a manipulator; he pays no respect to his customers and he has certainly done me no favours, but he has tripled my clubs debt to a very worrying level and turned us into a laughing stock when we should be enjoying success. I do believe that any focus on CTWD is now redundant, all focus should now be on ALLAM OUT!

 

[Manila Tiger]

Just because some are not as worried about change as others does not mean they are not supporters that is pathetic and that is not rocket science either,some think Allam has done a good job and knows what he is doing in business and think if he thinks changing the name helps then so be it they will give him the chance obviously others don't think that way most are supporters but have different opinions of the situation so opinion does matter it seems.

Changing the name helps what ??

I have lived in Asia for over 10 years and never seen a City shirt yet in all my extensive travels in the region !!! So just because we change our name to Tigers, we have a whole new market to tap into ?? Bullshit !! Asian fans are bigger glory hunters than the UK kind, so its not going to happen unless we get into the top 4 every year. We are selling success on the pitch......not cans of Coke !!

The guy still thinks our name is Hull City Tigers and he wants to shorten it for better branding........why doesn't someone suggest Hull City to him, its got quite a nice ring to it

 

[FER ARK]

Rather than just being angry with you, I'll come back to ask a question:

I have zero doubt whatsoever that Allam's end-game is to have a non-geographically linked football team. After changing the name to Hull Tigers the next step in his plan is to remove the word Hull. He also wants us to have our home outside of the city in a nondescript place. Think the Juventus model if you like, not linked to a city in any way and therefore the best supported club in the country by an absolute mile. I think they have 5 times more registered fans than any other Italian club.

So to the question....

If Allam gets his initial name change and stays on as owner, when does it become 'a step too far'? You say you support the team from Hull, will you support his team if he moves them out of the city's boundary? He has already very publicly said he wants to do this so if he wins his initial name change battle he will view it that he has a mandate to move the stadium. I mean, the fans can hardly complain, he's already said he wants to do this. And then what if he drops the name Hull so it simply become Tigers - is that too far for you?

Take this a bit further,

We've lost our identity, moved out of the city boundary, and the businessmen still aren't getting the required return on their investment.

Worrying times, worrying times indeed, when a badly run team not 60 miles away get liquidated.

Oh that'd never happen. No one would ever move a club that far away.

Anyone remember the crazy gang?

No it's not board members

 

[FER ARK]

Beat me to it Balkan , great minds!

 

[FER ARK]

Anyone else think that this their exit strategy ?
FA won't change the name, that arguments lost.
They can't sustain the spending.
Have to get out.
Out of spite they've now divided the supporters.

 

[balkan tiger]

Beat me to it Balkan , great minds!

Its just looking at the big picture, quite a scary one if the FA don't act soon.

 

[Fez]

Anyone else think that this their exit strategy ?
FA won't change the name, that arguments lost.
They can't sustain the spending.
Have to get out.
Out of spite they've now divided the supporters.

I think they have already said that; they will sell before the decision, if possible and after the decision if it is no. Then again, he could be telling lies, again.

 

[DMD]

I think a supporter is all of the above,and on the name change subject i like our name now and hope it can be resolved amicably but i am not going to change my life if it changes, Allam has done good for this club and as potty as he may be he is doing most things good for the club so i won't berate him over a name change and i very much appreciate and support what he has done for this club.

All of what exactly? There are several conflicting views in "the above".

 

[TygerTyger]

Yes, exactly that. Anyone who boos their own fans for chanting about the team's name is a massive c**t and will always be a ****. Hope I cleared that up for you.

So why did you change your username? Presumably you're a **** and will always be a ****. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

 

[TygerTyger]

Rather than just being angry with you, I'll come back to ask a question:

I have zero doubt whatsoever that Allam's end-game is to have a non-geographically linked football team. After changing the name to Hull Tigers the next step in his plan is to remove the word Hull. He also wants us to have our home outside of the city in a nondescript place. Think the Juventus model if you like, not linked to a city in any way and therefore the best supported club in the country by an absolute mile. I think they have 5 times more registered fans than any other Italian club.

So to the question....

If Allam gets his initial name change and stays on as owner, when does it become 'a step too far'? You say you support the team from Hull, will you support his team if he moves them out of the city's boundary? He has already very publicly said he wants to do this so if he wins his initial name change battle he will view it that he has a mandate to move the stadium. I mean, the fans can hardly complain, he's already said he wants to do this. And then what if he drops the name Hull so it simply become Tigers - is that too far for you?

Just because you think that does not make it fact. Have you any evidence that this is his aim?

He wanted to buy the KC and develop it. The suggestion of a move was only to facilitate a new larger stadium if he couldn't get the KC. Many teams move to out of town stadia. Land is cheaper, access is better, parking is better etc. Did you kick up this fuss when we moved from Fer Ark? Was that all part of a conspiracy as well?

 

[Chillo]

Hull City AFC

I love this club. Why? because I'm from hull. It's my team.

So......

We change our name!

We're now Hull Tigers.

I love this club. Why? Because I'm from hull. It's my team.

If the owner bought the stadium and called it the Allam Marine Arena, would you care?

Having read the views about supporters for and against its obvious that those that oppose the name change think they support the club more than any other city fan. To the point they'll not even consider the argument.

Those who want the name change are being called glory fans who only watch premier league football.

I'm 31. I've watched city play since I was 6. 1989 was my first game. But all hear from ex Man U and Liverpool fans is "I was at boothferry park", so was I. I loved Kenny Dalglish and Alan shearer and my parents had sky and I watched the premier league since it's first whistle. Just because my dad took me 3 times a season all those years ago doesn't mean I can say, I was there, when we were locked out blah blah ****ing blah.

I was. I did put my hand in my pocket. Only because my dad put the penny's in my hand.

Now all those that boo'd tonight are being called traitors because they're going against the club.

What a load of ****. If Mr Allam didn't come in, then we might have gone bust. If we had, what name do you think we'd have picked to start as a new club?

Hull Tigers would be flying high!

And we'd all be grateful

And where is the one good reason to change our name? Apart from pleasing the whim of a senile old man?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Just because you think that does not make it fact. Have you any evidence that this is his aim?

He wanted to buy the KC and develop it. The suggestion of a move was only to facilitate a new larger stadium if he couldn't get the KC. Many teams move to out of town stadia. Land is cheaper, access is better, parking is better etc. Did you kick up this fuss when we moved from Fer Ark? Was that all part of a conspiracy as well?

Has it not occured to you that by offering the council £0 for a facility that cost £36m to build would get a negative response and then he could use this as an argument to move the club out of the city?

And no I didnt kick up a fuss when we moved to the KC, because we were moving within the city of Hull to a new stadium. I dont quite see your point. If our owner didnt want to change our name and wanted to move to a new, bigger stadium in Hull I would have no complaints whatsoever.

 

[Frodsham Tiger]

If the boo-boys tried to be positive in their approach then instead of booing they should start their own 'rival' chants, (eg "Tigers till I die"). This might prompt the CTWD chant to be sung even more vociferously in response and then the pro-name changers could ratchet up their volume in counter-response. Thus creating an exceptionally raucous atmosphere where both camps inspire the team on. In this scenario everyone holds their own opinion and still gets behind the team.

I'm bloody deluded if I ever think such a thing might happen though.

 

[Polly13]

That's the point really some think they are real supporters and think others are not because they don't agree with their opinion.

And they would be right.

 

[Polly13]

This is the worst thread I have ever read on this or any other messageboard.

Our fans are simply a disgrace, the worst in the whole of football. Everton change the badge slightly and there are protests, boycotts and the club rollover and give the fans what they want. It's the FANS club afterall. And this was just a badge, clubs modify them regularly. Our owner on the other hand - a man who knows nothing about football and to this day thinks we are called Hull City Tigers - tries to change the name, THE one constant in our club's entire history. And what do our fans do in response? They rollover and get arsef**ed cos they want to see Stevie G on our pitch.

What a bunch of absolute c**ts.

^This, this, this^

Multiplied by about 40.

 

[Proevotiger]

Why does it have to be an argument? I'm just expressing an open view without opinion

Apart from the fact that I support the football team from hull.

Rather than just being angry with you, I'll come back to ask a question:

I have zero doubt whatsoever that Allam's end-game is to have a non-geographically linked football team. After changing the name to Hull Tigers the next step in his plan is to remove the word Hull. He also wants us to have our home outside of the city in a nondescript place. Think the Juventus model if you like, not linked to a city in any way and therefore the best supported club in the country by an absolute mile. I think they have 5 times more registered fans than any other Italian club.

So to the question....

If Allam gets his initial name change and stays on as owner, when does it become 'a step too far'? You say you support the team from Hull, will you support his team if he moves them out of the city's boundary? He has already very publicly said he wants to do this so if he wins his initial name change battle he will view it that he has a mandate to move the stadium. I mean, the fans can hardly complain, he's already said he wants to do this. And then what if he drops the name Hull so it simply become Tigers - is that too far for you?

That's a great point.

I was pissed last night.

I was trying to be open minded

 

[Aire]

It's funny that those pro-name change haven't offered any substance to support their claims other than "why not?"

Do you people just sit back and take everything? Stand up for what you believe in, why let someone rich do something just because they're rich.

-- In a rather potentially childish comparison (albeit not as bad as comparing us to a brand of sweet!):

If I saved you from drowning and/or saved you from bankruptcy does your gratitude mean I get to have a go on your wife? What's that? No? But I saved your life!!

 

[Polly13]

It's funny that those pro-name change haven't offered any substance to support their claims other than "why not?"

Do you people just sit back and take everything? Stand up for what you believe in, why let someone rich do something just because they're rich.

-- In a rather potentially childish comparison (albeit not as bad as comparing us to a brand of sweet!):

If I saved you from drowning and/or saved you from bankruptcy does your gratitude mean I get to have a go on your wife? What's that? No? But I saved your life!!

And therein lies the problem, because they clearly DON'T believe in anything beyond the short termism and instant gratification of the Premier League. They probably also think the X-Factor is a good way to see new musical talent emerging and alternate between voting Labour and Tory, depending on which party is going to benefit them the most.

They know the price of everything but the value of nothing, have no soul and no spine. I wish they'd **** off and support Liverpool.