Scotch Independence - the countdown

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Should Scotland be an Independent Country?

  • Yes

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CITIZEN SNIPS said:
Mike, you know I totally agree with you on a lot of issues, the ambitious Barrie looks at the bigger picture and what might be in a free market Scottish economy... But you can see what the Scotch electorate is like - just by reading this thread.

You've got;

ST - "why does anyone even care about the economy". He's part of the RIC (Radical Indy Campaign) who wants to turn the country into 1920's USSR, assassinate anyone who earns more than £20k a year.
MD-2020 - Stoned out his tits and thinks that the state should take care of everything because he's a lazy ****.
Bib - With his clothes and political views, he wouldn't look out of place in Cuba.
Aldo - Purple faced simpleton, another wealth hater.
Venom - Quite clever, don't really know why he's voting Yes apart from he's a Tim.
Eric Cartman - Thinks that the state taxes people to spend on people <laugh>
Dev - Hates the queen, thinks that by voting Yes, this will end the queen (was quick to accept the queens coin when shooting Keerins dad in Belfast)

You know that Scotland will not take the 'correct' route to flourish. The population are thick as **** and the working class are subsidy junkies. Scotland will take 30 years to recover from Indy if they pursue the same disastrous course that Labour took and Salmond wants to re-embark on and "reverse the Tory cuts"... (the same cuts that are required due slash the deficit)

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Gambol?

How dare you monica me.
 
Boris Fenster said:
england will lose a fortune, that is all that matters to those ****s in westminster, they dont give a f**k about the scottish, they dont even give a f**k about the english, the english are stuck with them but we have the chance to f**k right off

if it was beneficial to england, cameron would be doing a lawell, dubbed up with the phone off the hook

the rest of the world is backing us, if we dont have the balls to make the right choice and see through their bull**** we should be ashamed

vote no and keep the same **** you already have with no chance of anything better, no need to fear because the raping you know will continue as per the script

vote yes and just maybe we could create a better country and society for ourselves, or maybe it will be just as ****, maybe it might get even ****tier for some, although if you havent been living in a bubble you would have seen that many have already fallen as low as it goes, some of the treatment of people by our current "leaders" in westminster has resulted in suicides

its been a no brainer for me right from the start, my only doubt has been in the people having the bottle

humanity is being lead down the ****ter with its eyes shut, and we as a country, are lumped in with the scum doing the leading, life is a dead end job, few people get the chance to do anything significant, to make a mark on history, well we have a chance to do something, to stand up and distance ourselves from this beast that will not be looked kindly upon in the far and distant future, if we make it there

the blood is on our hands as it stands, against our will, and many years from now, lets say 3014 for saying sake, when your scottish descendants are lying in their beds, considered the jews of their time, would you be willing to trade the mundane, pointless years of just the same ****, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell the english, they may be the bitch of Rothschild, but theyll never take us with them!!!!!

Wallace Wallace Wallace Wallace
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He's gonne regret that when he sobers up ^^^^^^^^
 
InnocentAldo said:
Who said if we didn't bail out the banks we would have no debt?

If we didn't bail out the banks we would have a lot less debt.

We would still have the same amount of Tory blame politics though. And the same amount of thick ****ers like you only too willing to jump on the band wagon.

Oh Edge we are lying .......WE LIE.! You're just to ****ing spasticated to realise we lie.
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Your stupidity is only matched by your inability to read.

"If we didn't bail out the banks we would have a lot less debt."

The National debt stands at £1.4trn NOT INCLUDING FINANCIAL INTERVENTIONS. That means that the bank bail-outs are not included, that means that your statement above is completely wrong as the bank debt is not on the balance sheet.

"We would still have the same amount of Tory blame politics though. And the same amount of thick ****ers like you only too willing to jump on the band wagon."

It's not blame, it's facts. We can't shift a huge debt burden without cutting back on excesses. Whether that is the UK or Scotland then it's still the same problems.

"Oh Edge we are lying .......WE LIE.! You're just to ****ing spasticated to realise we lie."

What does that even mean...? WAIT... Posted Yesterday, 10:38 PM <-- Pished again <doh>
 
Westminster, under Labour and the Tories, ran up the massive debt. The Tories put in place a brutal austerity plan. Labour have said the will continue that plan if they're elected.

Has the debt been reduced? No.

Go on and on about the national debt all you like. It's the failure of successive Westminster government's that got us here. On September 18th you have a chance to break free from it.
 
Jock c**t said:
Westminster, under Labour and the Tories, ran up the massive debt. The Tories put in place a brutal austerity plan. Labour have said the will continue that plan if they're elected.

Has the debt been reduced? No.

Go on and on about the national debt all you like. It's the failure of successive Westminster government's that got us here. On September 18th you have a chance to break free from it.
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Most of our recent PMs and senior politicians have scottish heritage? :huh:

Are you honestly saying the SNP is the only government you want in power forever?
 
Jock **** said:
Westminster, under Labour and the Tories, ran up the massive debt. The Tories put in place a brutal austerity plan. Labour have said the will continue that plan if they're elected.

Has the debt been reduced? No.

Go on and on about the national debt all you like. It's the failure of successive Westminster government's that got us here. On September 18th you have a chance to break free from it.
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You are a typical lefty, criticise everything and offer no plausible solution to the things you criticise... Tell me, Julian, tell all of us. How do you propose to pay the debts owed by UKplc?

You can't reduce the debt if you continue to run a deficit. The Tories are committed to running a trade surplus within the next parliament, should they get elected. That in turn means that they can start paying down the debt.

Brutal austerity is what has happened in Greece, Ireland and Portugal, you can't call what the UK has experienced as a brutal austerity. Sure it's been tough, but 95% of us got by. The three aforementioned states all lost hundreds of thousand of their brightest people who had to migrate for work.

As I pointed out yesterday, if Scotland becomes independent, Scotland WILL be subjected to higher borrowing costs... AND if the Scottish government embarks on a path of not paying down its debt (or at least be seen as being frivolous) then they will be forced to pay even higher borrowing costs... so for Salmond to commit to pay higher benefits, pay higher pensions, pay £5k of childcare and cut taxes (which he has promised), well you can assume that the markets will not look kindly upon Scotland increasing its budget deficit as a newly independent state and will increase borrowing costs

Whether it is the UK or Scotland, both State and Country face the ticking timebomb of pensions and until someone grows a set of balls and opens the can of worms, then whether it is Scotland, the UK or the West in general, the great degeneration will continue unabated.

****s
 
CITIZEN SNIPS said:
You are a typical lefty, criticise everything and offer no plausible solution to the things you criticise... Tell me, Julian, tell all of us. How do you propose to pay the debts owed by UKplc?

You can't reduce the debt if you continue to run a deficit. The Tories are committed to running a trade surplus within the next parliament, should they get elected. That in turn means that they can start paying down the debt.

Brutal austerity is what has happened in Greece, Ireland and Portugal, you can't call what the UK has experienced as a brutal austerity. Sure it's been tough, but 95% of us got by. The three aforementioned states all lost hundreds of thousand of their brightest people who had to migrate for work.

As I pointed out yesterday, if Scotland becomes independent, Scotland WILL be subjected to higher borrowing costs... AND if the Scottish government embarks on a path of not paying down its debt (or at least be seen as being frivolous) then they will be forced to pay even higher borrowing costs... so for Salmond to commit to pay higher benefits, pay higher pensions, pay £5k of childcare and cut taxes (which he has promised), well you can assume that the markets will not look kindly upon Scotland increasing its budget deficit as a newly independent state and will increase borrowing costs

Whether it is the UK or Scotland, both State and Country face the ticking timebomb of pensions and until someone grows a set of balls and opens the can of worms, then whether it is Scotland, the UK or the West in general, the great degeneration will continue unabated.

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Didn't read this. Same old, same old I suspect.

40 years of north sea oil and trillions in related tax revenue yet we have a debt of £1.4bn and rising. That's Westminster's doing. Nothing less than economic vandalism.

http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
 
You can't give me a plausible solution because you don't have one.

You can moan about past decisions being 'mistakes', which are subjective, but you always duck the real issues, the future decisions which are the one that matter.

If Scotland becomes independent and embarks on the insane economic path that Salmond is promising, then you'll know all about austerity within 5 years when the country is ****ed.

By, hey... economics? They don't matter eh? :rolleyes:
 
CITIZEN SNIPS said:
You can't give me a plausible solution because you don't have one.

You can moan about past decisions being 'mistakes', which are subjective, but you always duck the real issues, the future decisions which are the one that matter.

If Scotland becomes independent and embarks on the insane economic path that Salmond is promising, then you'll know all about austerity within 5 years when the country is ****ed.

By, hey... economics? They don't matter eh? :rolleyes:
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Blah, blah...didn't read.

Trillions in oil tax revenue. Massive austerity cuts. Current UK debt £1.4bn and rising.
 
Wilma Fannyburst said:
The current US president has Kenyan heritage - it bears no passing on who rules Kenya.
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ST was blaming Westminster for ****ing things up, and I was just pointing out that lots of the top members of each of the parties in power were scottish or scottish roots.

You can't say that the English ****ed you over, it was a team effort.
 
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