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PleaseNotPoll said:
He was one of the first two people to sign up for it at the Yes campaign launch, Spurf.
He's been criticised by his own allies for making it all about the SNP and himself. Blaming the opposition simply doesn't wash under those
circumstances.
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Of course he would be endorsing the YES campaign he is the First Minister of Scotland. The SNP and Salmond have campaigned on this subject for decades. He also happens to be the very popular in Scotland. I have asked many people who are voting no 'because they don't like Salmond' <steam> Why? what is it he has done? I don't get an answer apart from not liking his face. Of course the real reason people don't like him is because he beat the Labour Party in Scotland and took away what they saw as their 'right' to govern Scotland.

A recent poll this week might suggest a truer picture of peoples feelings in Scotland. Although I have to say I am not a fan of opinion polls, much like the football stats, <laugh>

Yes trust ratings:
Alex Salmond +15
Nicola Sturgeon +20
Dennis Canavan +8

No trust ratings:
David Cameron -47
Alistair Darling -18
Johann Lamont -10

A new poll from Panelbase is suggesting a 2% move towards YES. Above are the ratings of individuals from both sides.

The Scottish public are clearly seeing through the spin.
 
The RDBD said:
You get career politicians nowadays.
Perhaps at the parliamentary level, the candidate reqt should be that you've had a proper
tax-paying day job for at least 5 yrs before you can stand.
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You'd end up with companies 'creating' their own politicians, giving them jobs in preparation for a political career.
They're bad enough as it is! <laugh>
 
crackerman jack said:
I must say this is a very insightful thread and very enjoyable. Spurf you should be part of the YES campaign yourself. I think if I was Scottish you may convince me to vote for independence! No one can deny your passion for the cause!
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I am part of it crackerman <ok> this is the group I work with, http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/

It is because of the general view of politicians ie they can't be trusted, it is the nature of politics, the group I work with consists of over 2200 Scottish businesses who want a YES vote. if you look at the video I posted it is one members giving the facts on the numbers without a political spin.

We are getting the facts through despite the politicians and that is how the YES vote is growing all the time.
 
Ah sorry I think you did say that before! :-)

I am quite intrigued to see what would happen if the yes vote did win. Whether it would impact me in tunbridge wells (you don't get much more middle England than this town!)
 
"You'd end up with companies 'creating' their own politicians, giving them jobs in preparation for a political career."

You already have that with the media industry, academia, and political "think tanks" .
 
crackerman jack said:
Ah sorry I think you did say that before! :-)

I am quite intrigued to see what would happen if the yes vote did win. Whether it would impact me in tunbridge wells (you don't get much more middle England than this town!)
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Tun Wells know it well. Did you know in 18th century Tun Wells was the Las Vegas of England it was THE place for prostitutes and gambling. Daniel Defoe describes a visit he had there in the early 1700's. He seemed to enjoy himself <laugh>
 
In an appearance at Edinburgh Book Festival in conversation with historian Sir Tom Devine, the First Minister said: "People say and do things in a campaign because they want an outcome, on both sides, but once the votes are counted you get into an entirely different situation. People then have to sit down and do what's best for the people of Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom."
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<ok>...
 
Spurf said:
Tun Wells know it well. Did you know in 18th century Tun Wells was the Las Vegas of England it was THE place for prostitutes and gambling. Daniel Defoe describes a visit he had there in the early 1700's. He seemed to enjoy himself <laugh>
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Possibly why the then Royal family became interested? Hence the "Royal" tag...
 
"Daniel Defoe describes a visit he had there in the early 1700's."

And what did Jermain Defoe say of the place during his visit in the early 2000s ?? :)
 
The RDBD said:
"Daniel Defoe describes a visit he had there in the early 1700's."

And what did Jermain Defoe say of the place during his visit in the early 2000s ?? :)
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Er! **** me! did you see my wallet? and why is that old lady giving me the eye.


You could always rely on JD to come on and score.
 
It's a shame it's not like that anymore it sounds good! Maybe we can vote for independence here as I don't think Westminster know what we want either We want gambling and whores, let's have a referendum! :-)
 
Good Christ - as if supporting Spurs is not depressing enough now I have to spend a while skimming through a thread that includes a video describing how the Tories (and New Labour before them) are selling off the NHS to their mates (literally as far as I see from what I read in Private Eye).

And if Scotland vote "Yes" then we'll be perma-Tory forever more.

For totally selfish reasons I hope the vote comes back "No" cos we need all those Scottish Labour MPs. Mind you if the Scots can actually form a more civilized society for themselves by not privatising education and health then, well, I'll be happy for them but a bit gutted that it means it's much less likely to happen for the English.

Will I be able to live in Scotland if the result comes back as "Yes"? Cos will it actually be a member of the EU? (I've not been paying much attention, TBH).
 
I'm hoping for a Yes win. Then I'll apply for political asylum as a US political dissident. I reckon the truth of that, plus a little spin on where I'm from, and the fact I have a Scottish name, should put me over the top.

Though I've been wrong before.
 
crackerman jack said:
Ah sorry I think you did say that before! :-)

I am quite intrigued to see what would happen if the yes vote did win. Whether it would impact me in tunbridge wells (you don't get much more middle England than this town!)
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Scotland would be a major trading partner with England- so any financial problems in Scotland would impact England and the rest of the UK. Almost certainly, any bailing out of Scotland in future decades if their economy crashes would have to be done in part by the UK.

It's easy to think the UK wouldn't be effected, but if Scotland goes Belly-Up absolutely you'd be affected.

On the other hand- Scotland would probably lose most of it's banking to England as banks relocate, and that would probably help the UK economy some.
 
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