Chances created and assists are separate things. Why are people talking as if they're the same thing?
Assists are not a good stat to judge a players creative influence on the pitch. For a start, it requires the receiver to actually stick the ball in the net for it to count, and second any number of things could take the assist away from him. For example snotty could pick up the ball on the halfway line, jiggle his way past 6 players, skip into the box, lay it off to a striker at the edge of the 6 yard box whiten decides to pass it round the keeper to another striker for a tap in. Snotters does all the work and gets no assist to show for t.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYWWWWAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY Good buy, better than what we had, Cheers Brucey n Allam. 3/4/5 more pronto please
Who is the wit who changed his wikipeida profile? "Snobert Rodgrass then signed for Hull City A.F.C for the banterous activities and he liked it.... a lot"
He's definitely a pain to play against. He had 2 assists last season, 6 the previous. He averages six goals a season, half from free kicks. The stats site I was using differs from the PL site one says 2 crosses/game the other says 4/game. Either way it's not a lot for a winger. I honestly don't think he's better than Brady, presuming Brady is fit. As I've said I'm not unhappy he's here but think that after potentially spending £16m on two players we haven't actually improved the team.
Thing is, Livermore is an improvement, because having see what he could do last season, we'd have been tasked with not only finding a replacement for him to work well with Thudd (who knows what that would've cost, both in transfer fees and not having somebody as good as Jake) but also having to play against him next season and hope his replacement was up to the job. Thankfully we've avoided that scenario. As for Snodgrass, he's a great player with a good set piece ability on him; he might finally be the answer to our ****e corners. He's not the quickest, but he gets himself about and has a trick or two. I agree the price is a bit high, but that's what you have to pay these days for strength in depth. And I agree with OLM, better to have him on our side than to play against him again next season (maybe we should sign Emile Sinclair, just in case). Although what is it that makes him a **** exactly? The fact that he played for Leeds?
What evidence is there to suggest he's a better right winger than Elmo? Snodgrass isn't even right footed. Livermore was already in the team & therefore him signing permanently hasn't improved the team. £16m spent & the team hasn't improved. This is from a Norwich supporter written after the season ended. "I wouldn't criticise Snodgrass for the effort he put in, if spasmodically. But I totally agree with some of the comments here in that he has nothing in his locker to worry a defender. Totally predictable and as such makes life easy for his markers. Always tries to cut inside as he has no right foot, lacks pace and apart from one or two very good strikes most of his dead ball kicking has been poor, with balls under or over-hit or aimless."
Lets stop acting like we've thrown money at tottenham for no reason. Forget Last season. At the start of this year we were Livermore-less. Now we have a whole Livermore to ourselves. He is a vast improvement on Quinn and we've got Snodgrass, who's a vast improvement on the plethora of players that we played out wide last year. I admit we have overpaid, but sometimes you have to! I'm sure we'll have some more joy soon enough.
Played for Leeds. You have to have something about you to play for such an illustrious, history rich club.
Yes but he wasn't our player. You have to consider the possibility that he might not have signed for us this season and could be having a medical at Palace right now. The fact that he is now our player is surely an improvement on wondering if he'll sign permanently or worse, bringing in somebody who wasn't as good?
Robben isn't right footed but I'm fairly sure he's a better right winger than Elmo. Livermore wasn't part of our squad and hasn't been since the FA cup final and therefore has improved our squad.
I didn't say it wasn't an improvement on wondering whether he'll sign. I said, quite correctly, that the team hasn't improved because he's signed. He's the same player in the same team he was in last year.
But with a full season of PL football under his belt, would he not be a better player now than he was 12 months ago?
I think you've confused yourself. If I'm to understand you correctly, because Robben isn't right footed yet a better right right winger than Elmo, Snodgrass must also be better. Great thinking. Try again, what evidence is there to suggest Snodgrass is a better right winger than Elmo? Livermore was in our team throughout last season, he's now in it again, therefore the team hasn't improved. If you check we've not played many games since the cup final.
Well, for a start I didn't at any point describe him as 'class.' I said he was a vast improvement on the players we've played out wide last year. Mostly Elmo, Boyd and quinn with Rosey and Figg as wing backs. I think he is a vast improvement on those players due to his creativity and also a vit of a goal threat and a dead ball specialist. Brady may well be better, but he hasn't shown it last year due to injury and the year before we were in the Championship. Brady has it to prove, not Snodgrass.
I think you've confused yourself. You've used the fact that Snodgrass isn't right footed as a plus to Elmo. I'm pointing out Robben isn't right footed, yet he is better than Elmo. Again, if we hadn't have signed Livermore, he wouldn't have been playing for us. Is Snodgrass our player just because we haven't played any games between now and the cup final? No, they were/are both owned by a club other than ours.
The point is being missed here. Livermore's signing has improved the side because he didn't play for us. He'd gone and was no longer a City player. Signing him means we have a better midfield than if we'd not signed him.
