He's not going to have any resale value is he?
What's football manager got to do with owt or nowt?
Hull City Transfer Rumours - Summer 2014
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He's not going to have any resale value is he?
What's football manager got to do with owt or nowt?
I think long term it needs to be considered, not with every player but it certainly needs to be a factor. We cant just buy players than let all go on a free at the end of contracts. Ultimately, the club is a business. On the other side, sometimes it has to be accepted that players will come (given Dawsons age) and we will see no return from him, its an acceptable price to pay for what he could bring for 3/4 yrs.
Or we could just take the brown/duffen approach then wait for the needlers to come in and bail us out?
I agree to an extent, but also, it's not something that we as fans generally have to worry about. When the time comes to sell a player on, we can look at him and decide if we are being ripped off or not. I'd point to the Michael Turner deal as an example; he was 22 when he signed for us in the Championship in 2006, but how many people were thinking of how much we could get for him 3 seasons down the line?
Because what does his resale value have to do with anything? By taking that into account when looking at young players, we're already accepting that a) he's definitely leaving at some point in the next few years and b) he's actually going to turn out to be amazing. Now, the latter might not turn out to be the case (a la Cameron Stewart) anyway. Yes, we all want to buy some random 18 year old and have him sold on for £50m quid 18 months as he dazzles his way across the PL, but honestly, ask yourself this; what good is a teenager that's going to be good in 5 years time, when we're in the PL and Europe now? We need to bring in players that can make a difference now, not fannying about looking at young lads who may or may not turn out to be future superstars.
Things like Football Manager and FIFA are pretty mainstream, so I'm guessing they're becoming the reason that everybody would rather have a team of 20 year olds over a team of 25 year olds, like it makes a difference. The way players develop on that game is nothing like real life; in that game they stop developing at 24 and just slowly get worse. If that happened in real life there'd be no quality left!
I don't play football manager , it's part of football every club will look at signing players with a view to resale value , I suggest you chill out and have a beer if things like that really get to you !
It would be wreckless for a club like ours to sign a lot of players with no resale value, as we found to our cost when we last got relegated.
I've never played Football Manager either.
I've never played Football Manager either.
I still don't see what relevance it has with football manager.
So browny and duffen did it the right way?
My point isn't that the club shouldn't ever be doing it, it's just that fans shouldn't factor it in to every transfer like it's the be all and end all. It's made out to be the #1 most important thing about a transfer, when really it's also rans until the player comes to move.
Because on Football Manager/FIFA you can buy young players for very little and sell them on for obscene amounts of money. It's not to say that doesn't happen for real, but it's not something that Hull City should be trying to do at this present moment in time. Our income will be mostly generated from competition prize money.
People aren't making the point of resale value in order to sell players for more money than we buy them. The only requirement is to receive most of the money we paid.
I agree with this. As I suggested, we are a business and require money to come in from somewhere. the long term future of the club depends on it. TommyTiger, you are right, this is not Football Manager; its a real Football Club that can go into Real Administration if not run properly. on a large proportion of players bought, it has to be a factor whether the player succeeds or flops, how much we can get to them once they enter the latter stages of their time with us.
Were not a big club, we could find ourselves relegated any season. It's risky business for a club like ours spending big on a player like Dawson. The transfer fee for a player of that quality is modest, but he'll be on a big wage, and in two seasons time we could find ourselves relegated with a struggle to even remove his unaffordable wage from the bill, never mind recoup any of the outlay.
We learned the hard way with Jimmy Bollard, surely that experience shouldn't be in vain?
I agree that not every signing has to have a money back security sort of factor to it, but if it's going to be an expensive one it certainly has to. Our club at present just cannot afford to spend big on ageing players and see nothing back from it, not only because we haven't exactly the biggest budget in the league to juggle dead money with, but because anything could be round the corner. Finding ourselves on our way back to the championship with a bunch of 30 odd year olds on 40/50k per week would surely be a death sentence.
And I still don't see any relevance whatsoever to football manager or FIFA.
We learned the hard way with Jimmy Bollard, surely that experience shouldn't be in vain?
I agree that not every signing has to have a money back security sort of factor to it, but if it's going to be an expensive one it certainly has to. Our club at present just cannot afford to spend big on ageing players and see nothing back from it, not only because we haven't exactly the biggest budget in the league to juggle dead money with, but because anything could be round the corner. Finding ourselves on our way back to the championship with a bunch of 30 odd year olds on 40/50k per week would surely be a death sentence.
And I still don't see any relevance whatsoever to football manager or FIFA.
I think Tommy has a point in that very few teams successfully make a profit on players, and even when they do they generally have to spend what they get back on replacing that player when he's sold. For example Tottenham last summer, made an exceptional profit on Bale but pretty much had to spend it all on replacing him, and spending big doesn't always work as they found out. Southampton are going to experience something similar this summer from what I can see, they'll have a huge budget to spend and will need to replace a few key players, but it'll be difficult to replace them effectively even with all that money. Southampton came up with a lot of talented players ready made for this level, but they still had to spend millions on Ramirez, Osvaldo and Rodriguez which begins to offset fees for players they lose.
It's very difficult for teams in the PL to make a profit, unless you're one of the top few teams. If you try to re-coup transfer fees you can end up getting relegated and losing loads of income. Just to tread water you have to buy big and often end up selling low eventually on the players you don't want. You only get big money by selling your better players, which no club wants to do.
Obviously we ****ed up last time, and the players were neither good enough, nor worth what we paid for them, but I think it's harder than people realise to get genuine re-sale value at this level.
It's very difficult for teams in the PL to make a profit, unless you're one of the top few teams. If you try to re-coup transfer fees you can end up getting relegated and losing loads of income. Just to tread water you have to buy big and often end up selling low eventually on the players you don't want. You only get big money by selling your better players, which no club wants to do.
Obviously we ****ed up last time, and the players were neither good enough, nor worth what we paid for them, but I think it's harder than people realise to get genuine re-sale value at this level.
Graeme Bailey ‏@GraemeBailey
Four clubs in talks with Norwich over Robert Snodgrass - Sunderland, West Brom, QPR and Hull CIty - all likely to agree fee.
Four clubs in talks with Norwich over Robert Snodgrass - Sunderland, West Brom, QPR and Hull CIty - all likely to agree fee.
I'd like to back ourselves over Sunderland and West Brom, but QPR might be a problem
I agree with you that we shouldn't get stung again like we did in 09/10, that was a detritus and I can't see it happening again.
The FM/FIFA link is something I see a lot in fans these days. I'll try explain as best I can, it's one of them where I know what I mean but it's difficult to explain
In the aforementioned FM, there are certain players whose potential leads them to be known as 'wonderkids', i.e. they'll become world class players (or near enough to). Any player up to the age of 21 can be classed as a wonderkid and they're the most sought after players as not only are they decent players, but their sell on value is enourmous. Some people obviously get a thrill out of selling players on in these games and I guess carry that thrill over into the real world. But for a club of our level, while a sell on value to some players is nice, it shouldn't be the first thing people think of when we're linked to a player.
If we were linked to a player from, say, Mexico, who had just finished the season as the highest league scorer with 32 goals and was in the form of his life at the age of 29, a lot of fans would be saying "he's 29, though, hmmm".
Now imagine if that player was 23. He's still exactly the same player, still scores the same amount of goals with the same techniques and skill levels. But people aren't bothered about his age all of a sudden. Why is that?
Age plays a massive part in these games, as the game stops players from seriously developing once they turn 24.5. This obviously doesn't happen in real life as players are always learning or adopting new techniques and they certainly don't suddenly turn **** at the age of 30. The games also start declining skill levels after the set age of 30. Again, it doesn't always happen in real life, but it just seems coincidental that the behaviours of a lot of modern fans is eerily similar to the mannerisms of somebody who would be sat at a computer/console playing a football sim game.
I honestly don't think people are bothered. If he's good enough, he is good enough. There are clear benefits of signing a 23 year old over a 29 year old though. Age and potential being a definitive part of it.
But that's exactly my point, age and technique/skill level aren't inexurably linked. I'd have said a 33 year old Robert Koren was a better player than a 20 year old Jahraldo-Martin.
West Brom are on a mission under Irvine it seems. Already landed Lescott and apparently in line for a loan move for Rodwell. Those are the kind of names that could turn a players head. Providing the £ adds up obviously.
Knock it off with the fancy words mate. Say it like it is, it went tits up. Yâknow, you speak like youâre from the 19th century.