Chris Hughton

[SUPERNORWICH 23]

having spoken to players during hughton's tenure it left me in absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the poor and at times vile atmosphere created at games was having a negative effect on their performances. as said above, it's a two way street - players are capable of raising fans to their feet and if it appears the team aren't putting in enough effort, the fans will think 'why should i bother?', but equally if the players are struggling fans should try to help them, not hinder them. booing, ironically cheering them, shouting abuse - it is inevitable the players end up hiding or making mistakes. you only needed to be at the game on sunday to see what a great, positive atmosphere brings to the table. at 2-0 down, the fans started singing OTBC, they got behind the boys and the players responded. at the end the fans, to a man, woman and child, stood and applauded and the players reciprocated because each party had given it their all. had we been 2-0 down after 11 minutes and hughton still been in charge, he'd have likely needed a police escort out of the ground. no matter what anyone says, we, the fans, have not helped matters this season and could indeed play a part in our own relegation.

This is like going to watch an unfunny comedian or a band that can`t sing then forcing yourself to laugh or clap so as not to offend him/her, we humans pay to be entertained and if the act doesn`t deliver the goods then we the audience are surely not to blame.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

supporting a football club and being a football fan is absolutely nothing like watching a comedian or a band.

and you know it.

funnily enough, its those people who claim that they want to be 'entertained' that are the ones constantly moaning about the fair on offer. that is because you support the wrong team. in fact, you should keep switching team to the one who does entertain you. i'd guess liverpool would be a good place to start this season but it could be someone else next time around.

watching norwich isn't entertaining quite a lot of the time because we aren't very good quite a lot of the time.

 

[KIO]

supporting a football club and being a football fan is absolutely nothing like watching a comedian or a band.

and you know it.

funnily enough, its those people who claim that they want to be 'entertained' that are the ones constantly moaning about the fair on offer. that is because you support the wrong team. in fact, you should keep switching team to the one who does entertain you. i'd guess liverpool would be a good place to start this season but it could be someone else next time around.

watching norwich isn't entertaining quite a lot of the time because we aren't very good quite a lot of the time.

LOL

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

i was once asked by an american what 'norwich city are like' and i simply replied 'we are quite good for one year in five'.

i think i may have exaggerated a tad - its more like ten

 

[royalbarclayfan]

Thanks RBF. One thing I will always say us you are a brilliant example of how to reply to a debate. No malice or snide comments, just an agree to disagree response, which is appreciated.

For me , there are 3 sides of the stadium who are not vocal for the vast majority of the match as we know, and that is their prerogative. The main noise comes from the Barclay and Snake Pit. Whoever the manager is they have got to manage their resources( the players) and influence the game ( tactics, subs..etc) and buy the players. Hughton never really got any of that right. Lambert did ( even though his record is not gat much better). He is gone and we move on.

Hughton did nothing to get a " there's only one Chris Hughton" from the fans unfortunately. His negative, cautious approach was not what is associated with this club. If it had have worked then perhaps we would have accepted it but it has never improved for me, but got gradually worse. You turn up to Carrow Road already with concerns in your mind. You still shout and cheer but believe me that is drained from you as you see no response from either the players or management team.That's how he lost the fans as they often saw things not working, poor subs, continual "bigging up"of the opposition and so on. That us why you get ironic cheering when Becchio comes on! The first half against Newcastle was atrocious hence the " what the f*** was that chants". I did not join in (don't boo either) but really do understand it.

Sacking him before the end of the season was a very questionable decision by the team. Personally, I would have let stay, sack him to start afresh from next season. Whilst Adams has nothing to lose, for me it is likely we will not win another game due to the opposition we face. Obviously it is not over until it is over and we all live in hope and grasp at any thought that might eek out some points, but Adams could star next year with a relegated team, that has not won for 7/8 games on the trot. I would gave kept Hughton and started afresh as I said. Now we gave a mixed picture ahead. The board need to reflect on their indecision and decisions made.

There´s always been plenty of others on here much better at abuse than me, surgeryman , never seen the need for it, and anyway it always seems to weaken, rather than strengthen ones argument. Whatever we all might think of what´s gone on, one thing is certain, the next appointment, wherever we are, has got to be be the right one.

 

[Home on the range canary]

There´s always been plenty of others on here much better at abuse than me, surgeryman , never seen the need for it, and anyway it always seems to weaken, rather than strengthen ones argument. Whatever we all might think of what´s gone on, one thing is certain, the next appointment, wherever we are, has got to be be the right one.

This is the problem (I know you didn't mean it in absolute terms), how the hell can anyone know. There has to be the right basic fit between the ideals of the club and the manager, and this will probably exclude quite a few good managers. How long will a manager be given to get it right? My experience of watching Norwich is that the team plays pretty poor football most of the time, and I don't expect that will ever change. ah well the joys of NCFC

 

[carrabuh]

This is the problem (I know you didn't mean it in absolute terms), how the hell can anyone know. There has to be the right basic fit between the ideals of the club and the manager, and this will probably exclude quite a few good managers. How long will a manager be given to get it right? My experience of watching Norwich is that the team plays pretty poor football most of the time, and I don't expect that will ever change. ah well the joys of NCFC

Regardless of Pyjamas lowly opinion of the club, there is no reason at all that a club of our size cannot play reasonably good football. None whatsoever.

It takes some long term thinking and the correct person in control of the football side. The club should be targetting an ethos of skills rather than physicality. It needs to run right through the club and the truth is it is the opposite. I bet we do not bring a single recognised passer of the ball through our youth set up to the first team in the next 10 years.

Even if we don't have the players now the target needs to go that way, they need to focus on passing and movement and confidence in making their own decisions.

 

[surgeryman]

having spoken to players during hughton's tenure it left me in absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the poor and at times vile atmosphere created at games was having a negative effect on their performances. as said above, it's a two way street - players are capable of raising fans to their feet and if it appears the team aren't putting in enough effort, the fans will think 'why should i bother?', but equally if the players are struggling fans should try to help them, not hinder them. booing, ironically cheering them, shouting abuse - it is inevitable the players end up hiding or making mistakes. you only needed to be at the game on sunday to see what a great, positive atmosphere brings to the table. at 2-0 down, the fans started singing OTBC, they got behind the boys and the players responded. at the end the fans, to a man, woman and child, stood and applauded and the players reciprocated because each party had given it their all. had we been 2-0 down after 11 minutes and hughton still been in charge, he'd have likely needed a police escort out of the ground. no matter what anyone says, we, the fans, have not helped matters this season and could indeed play a part in our own relegation.

The thing is supers is that when we were 2-0 down if Hughton had have been in charge, he would have changed nothing. Adams changed his tactics to adapt to what Rogers had done and the team performed. Hence the crowd appreciated the effort by the players ( they rarely did that under Hughton) That is the fundamental flaw in your argument for me . The manager changing tactics to bring the best out of the players was justly rewarded by the fans. (although I respect your viewpoint).

 

[surgeryman]

Regardless of Pyjamas lowly opinion of the club, there is no reason at all that a club of our size cannot play reasonably good football. None whatsoever.

It takes some long term thinking and the correct person in control of the football side. The club should be targetting an ethos of skills rather than physicality. It needs to run right through the club and the truth is it is the opposite. I bet we do not bring a single recognised passer of the ball through our youth set up to the first team in the next 10 years.

Even if we don't have the players now the target needs to go that way, they need to focus on passing and movement and confidence in making their own decisions.

Agree, quick passing and movement as Liverpool did will create chances. Under Hughton ( West Brom was a classic) we were turgid and could not break them down. Look at Liverpool in the first half, quick incisive play.

We lack quality to do that. Look at Bradley Johnson. Without doubt he can put in a shift and break up play but how often have we all commented on his lack of passing quality? He is not alone and our failure to do simple things is a major issue get needs sorting wherever we are playing next season.

 

[SUPERNORWICH 23]

supporting a football club and being a football fan is absolutely nothing like watching a comedian or a band.

and you know it.

funnily enough, its those people who claim that they want to be 'entertained' that are the ones constantly moaning about the fair on offer. that is because you support the wrong team. in fact, you should keep switching team to the one who does entertain you. i'd guess liverpool would be a good place to start this season but it could be someone else next time around.

watching norwich isn't entertaining quite a lot of the time because we aren't very good quite a lot of the time.

I was there in Lg1 watching us play Superman so don`t try to tar me with the Glory hunter brush mate, if as you say sport is not supposed to be entertaining then i will have to agree to disagree on this one.
The point i made was i cheer and clap when my team shows commitment and pride, i go apeshit when they score and i`m pretty sure this is how it is supposed to be.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

The thing is supers is that when we were 2-0 down if Hughton had have been in charge, he would have changed nothing. Adams changed his tactics to adapt to what Rogers had done and the team performed. Hence the crowd appreciated the effort by the players ( they rarely did that under Hughton) That is the fundamental flaw in your argument for me . The manager changing tactics to bring the best out of the players was justly rewarded by the fans. (although I respect your viewpoint).

appreciate that he changed tactics and even accept that hughton wouldn't have been so rapid in his response (though equally i doubt he'd have set up in the kamikaze manner adams did), but you miss my point. the crowd responded and got behind the team the moment that second goal went in - not because adams had changed it (he hadn't at the time), but because the fans decided to back the team in difficult circumstances. that rarely happened before, if ever.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

I was there in Lg1 watching us play Superman so don`t try to tar me with the Glory hunter brush mate, if as you say sport is not supposed to be entertaining then i will have to agree to disagree on this one.
The point i made was i cheer and clap when my team shows commitment and pride, i go apeshit when they score and i`m pretty sure this is how it is supposed to be.

err, you've also missed my point and gone off on a tangent. sport can be entertaining but it isn't always and football fans are a special breed who aren't like regular customers. if the product at norwich, arsenal, cheltenham, wherever is bad, the punters don't stop supporting them. they stick with them. supporters support - there's a clue in the word

no norwich fan is a glory hunter - if they are they aren't very good at it!

 

[SUPERNORWICH 23]

appreciate that he changed tactics and even accept that hughton wouldn't have been so rapid in his response (though equally i doubt he'd have set up in the kamikaze manner adams did), but you miss my point. the crowd responded and got behind the team the moment that second goal went in - not because adams had changed it (he hadn't at the time), but because the fans decided to back the team in difficult circumstances. that rarely happened before, if ever.

I am glad you are not giving the half time team talks at Carrow Road Supers or the players would all be on Prozak.
We are Norwich we are not entertaining or very good just go out there and play to the levels expected of you, it doesn`t matter if you lose we can`t expect any better.

 

[carrabuh]

appreciate that he changed tactics and even accept that hughton wouldn't have been so rapid in his response (though equally i doubt he'd have set up in the kamikaze manner adams did), but you miss my point. the crowd responded and got behind the team the moment that second goal went in - not because adams had changed it (he hadn't at the time), but because the fans decided to back the team in difficult circumstances. that rarely happened before, if ever.

Well just ask yourself the question why?

The life and excitement was sucked out over the two years before, its been like it from day one. Hughton had full backing when he was announced. There were very few who were sceptical (me obviously being one of them).

Hughton would have retained full backing IF he was good enough to change his attitude.

He wasn't so he didn't.

 

[surgeryman]

appreciate that he changed tactics and even accept that hughton wouldn't have been so rapid in his response (though equally i doubt he'd have set up in the kamikaze manner adams did), but you miss my point. the crowd responded and got behind the team the moment that second goal went in - not because adams had changed it (he hadn't at the time), but because the fans decided to back the team in difficult circumstances. that rarely happened before, if ever.

No I got your point but I disagree with it I'm afraid. Norwich fans having been backing the team for a long time. I have not seen the sort of thing you refer to until this season and my point us there was a reason for it. And even during this season the fans have tried to lift the side but with no response. I am not a boo boy and never will but can understand it as it sometimes feels like it is the only way the fans can get things across.

I was there at the Charlton game when the chants for Roeder out went up ( probably the last time I saw the fans reacting like West Brom). I assume you apply your same point to that time also?

Perhaps it is the sign of the times and how staying in this money focussed division affects everyone. Ask Moyes.

I just feel blaming the fans is an easy thing to do. Why not moan at like I said three sides of the stadium who rarely chant? The fans are there through thick and thin. Managers and players are not. W

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

Agree, quick passing and movement as Liverpool did will create chances. Under Hughton ( West Brom was a classic) we were turgid and could not break them down. Look at Liverpool in the first half, quick incisive play.

We lack quality to do that. Look at Bradley Johnson. Without doubt he can put in a shift and break up play but how often have we all commented on his lack of passing quality? He is not alone and our failure to do simple things is a major issue get needs sorting wherever we are playing next season.

i think comparing us to liverpool is a little unfair at the moment - they are playing sublime football right now and have some top players. we have some half decent players at this level and a few who aren't quite up to scratch but we could have been playing better football this season than we have. there have been the odd glimpses but its mainly been stodgy stuff. but as carrabuh says, unless you mould your whole club into a philosophy then you won't see much of a change in style and even then it will take some time. we need a long term plan at the club, a footballing mantra that means if a manager leaves, the new man carries on that philosophy. swansea were doing that although they've abandoned it for some reason.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

No I got your point but I disagree with it I'm afraid. Norwich fans having been backing the team for a long time. I have not seen the sort of thing you refer to until this season and my point us there was a reason for it. And even during this season the dans have tried to lift the sure but with no response. I am not a boo boy and never will but can understand it as it sometimes feels like it is the only way the fans can get things across.

I was there at the Charlton game when the chants for Roeder out went up . I assume you apply your same point to that time also?

Perhaps it is the sign of the times and how staying in this money focussed division affects everyone. Ask Moyes.

i have seen and heard little support throughout the season and i am far from alone in that. i know for a fact i've not been as good a fan as i normally am - getting physically abused at a game didn't exactly help though its more to do with my personal life which means football is a very low priority right now.

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

I am glad you are not giving the half time team talks at Carrow Road Supers or the players would all be on Prozak.
We are Norwich we are not entertaining or very good just go out there and play to the levels expected of you, it doesn`t matter if you lose we can`t expect any better.

i haven't a foggiest what you are talking about now so i'll leave it there

 

[SUPERNORWICH 23]

i haven't a foggiest what you are talking about now so i'll leave it there

I am saying you are not a very motivational character .

 

[carrabuh]

I am saying you are not a very motivational character .

Unsurprisingly, just like his idol.