Maybe not, but nor has Mr. McNally´s choice Adams, proved he can yet, there´s still time - just - but not a lot.
Chris Hughton
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Maybe not, but nor has Mr. McNally´s choice Adams, proved he can yet, there´s still time - just - but not a lot.
Yep, the second half against Liverpool certainly seems an awful long way off now, still think we´d have done just as well under Hughton, (results-wise we certainly couldn´t have done any worse) despite some of the fans being in uproar.
You have made this exact same point many many times RBF ,we know your feelings about the fans at Carrow Road that you watched on your laptop get cross with Hughton because of poor results.
You do not get to be part of the atmosphere sitting at home, also we never win away from home so to beat Man U away was always a tall order regardless of who was in charge.
So it's Hughton's fault that he lost however in a row but under Adams it is acceptable to lose at home because we expect to? I simply cannot understand how so many posters judge Adams and Hughton on such different criteria.
Hughton had full backing for nearly 2 seasons and failed to get results when we needed them or get our team to score goals.
Our last 4 games were for bonus points, in reality our season ended against West Brom at home.
Erm no, he had full backing for part of his first season that was it. I recall hearing calls for his head before we even lost to Luton in the FA Cup.
By full backing i mean from the board and the majority of our fans, he was paid to get results and even when he failed to get results he was still paid handsomely,
Firstly, I posted this on the Swansea forum not so long ago. I realise the derision I personally see used in the above post is not of exactly the same kind of that I responded to, but the truth of the sentiment still holds.
"Never understood the armchair criticism... How is an armchair fan less knowledgeable, when they are able to view replays copiously, gain at least some simple tactical insight from Sky's ginormous ipad ****, and can have finished the post-match analysis and interviews with players and managers, by the time you've finished waving your flag long enough to hop on the bus home?
I had a season ticket at St James' for 3 years, and I wouldn't dare make such an arrogant outburst against those who don't attend games. The fat guy sitting next to you, pissed out of his head, isn't providing you with more insight than Jamie Redknapp... Because you sing a few songs, you aren't a better fan. It's just some sort of middle-class baton to beat poorer, or indeed more fiscally responsible people, with.
What being there in person does allow, when sitting close enough to the action anyway, is more intimate interaction with the events at the time, which compliment debates on football forums quite well. Forums need both points of view to survive.
You're not even actually doing much good for the team by handing them £1000 for a ST... Financially, it would be better for a lot of clubs to play in empty stadia."
I just don't take kindly to this sort of unnecessary arrogance. The concept of competition amongst fans to be the most loyal or the most knowledgeable becomes the antithesis of the idea of a "club" when it's used as a stick to beat someone with. The support of this team is the one universal common ground you share with these people, and the commercial exploitation of status amongst supporters is as much a cancer of the game as things like corruption. Whoever was the first guy to see the financial potential of this and implement it, both kudos and f*** you, as it exposes many flaws in the human condition.
Secondly, I've watched a number of Norwich games since they won promotion, and the evident tide turned on Chris a very long time ago. Sure, I watched on my laptop, but if I can hear these chants above other ones, then I think there's something wrong, personally. Now I firmly believe Norwich fans in the ground, watching in the pub etc have the absolute right to vent frustrations, as do all fans. However, I'm never going to be of the mold where I think it's acceptable for a club's fanbase, en masse, to use the manager as a scapegoat, and hound him out of the club. This riles me massively about your support, and you are entitled to agree, disagree, or most likely ignore that point.
I advocate boo-ing as a medium, I advocate people not prepared to watch what a team is producing week in week out to not attend games, as I think they are fair and reasonably illustrative. You're not happy with performances, fine. But, to me, it crosses the line when it becomes a personal attack on your own staff. I can cope with people not agreeing with Chris' strategy, not liking his approach, or questioning his subs, but if you're not getting any enjoyment out of going to a game, then you're only turning up to be deliberately derisive, and it's my opinion that too many of you guys were doing that, judging from your comments. That's not conducive with being a supporter in my view.
Norwich are not alone in this, I went to Newcastle vs Swansea, and after a last minute goal, there was "We want Pardew out" chants. Not acceptable. What has my back-up about this particular case, however, is some of the unnecessary personal insults and over the top comments I've seen on here which are completely unfair to a man who has only ever acted humbly and with the genuine best interests of your club at heart. You yourself today called him a "clown". If trying your best, and simply being judged to not have the right level of ability, or indeed be the right fit for the club is the definition, I'd be happy with a few more of that sort of "clown" manager, as oppose to the Joe "swear at everyone every three seconds" Kinnear or Alan "get the nut in" Pardew type clown.
Some people think paying for a ticket makes their opinion more important than anybody else's, that they are paying for a dialogue with the owner and that it's right they air their views in that way. Well, if you think that's your right, you have to realise the responsibility that comes with it. Right now you're quite evidently part of the reason you're in this situation, as I see it, and I hope some of you are willing to rest the finger of blame, even if briefly, on yourselves.
You should know my opinion on Chris by this point, that I believe you were all way too quick to get on his back, given that everyone and their mothers told you about his history, if you couldn't figure it out for yourselves.
- That he builds teams slowly and solidly at first. The progression from Hughton's first season in the championship with us to the second was extraordinary, and he was managing some explosive personalities. The collapse at Brum since his departure at least attests that he's a very capable manager, but the style of play and meticulous work was also in the same exact frame as that of his work with us.
- He's tried to integrate a lot of new players from foreign leagues (a difficulty for any manager historically)
- Norwich is not a great draw for good players. Not at all. The realistic ambition of the supporters needs to be tempered, as with my club and a billion others. Still, he's improved the squad, a squad which seemed on the cusp of a serious unravel BEFORE Lambert's departure. Practical and Effective vs Style will forever be a massive debate in football circles. Not everyone can play like Barca. Lambert leaving for a team who've spent little more, and being honest, look little better, is telling for me. Sustaining his accomplishment was going to be a very tough task.
Still, I'm sure everything will turn out ok. Chris will get another job, one with more patient fans with lower expectations, and he'll hopefully succeed. Norwich will probably find a manager who suits a sexier type of play. It's just sad that this marriage had to end in such an unnecessarily bitter divorce.
Great post mate, sadly I feel the people it is most appropriate too won't read it all because "it's too long" and they won't bother digesting the words of wisdom you offer 
One further point to add, can you imagine the **** Hootun would have received for bringing on Elmander for RVW when 2-0 down? Ok, I've not followed the match thread today so the decision might have been criticised (though not by me, I rate Elmander personally), but I'm sure certain people would have made allowances they wouldn't have done had it been the precious manager making that call.
One further point to add, can you imagine the **** Hootun would have received for bringing on Elmander for RVW when 2-0 down? Ok, I've not followed the match thread today so the decision might have been criticised (though not by me, I rate Elmander personally), but I'm sure certain people would have made allowances they wouldn't have done had it been the precious manager making that call.
I was referring to fans who didn`t make the effort to travel to the games and pay a fortune to attend ,looking down their noses from their comfy sofa as the horrible oiks vent their frustration at the guy who is paid to Lead their club all in glorious hd. At the stadium where the noise and the atmosphere make people act in a tribal manner.
Other than that.
I agree
Didn't make the effort? Comfy sofa, TVs, laptops, glorious HD... you really can't help yourself when it comes to cheap shots can you? How about actually trying to tell RBF why you think his opinion would be different if he was able to attend regularly, rather than mocking him for not being able to do so? A good proportion of us on here, perhaps the majority, cannot attend regularly. Many of us will have done so in the past for decades, through thick and thin. We don't need educating about the tribal nature of the 'oiks' in the stadium. How about showing some respect for NCFC supporters who are not as lucky as you, but who continue to follow the club they love in whatever way they can?
Are you the president of the armchair supporters society or something?
I am not able to see as many games as i would like to even though i live in England as i care for my 3 young kids most weekends , the point i was trying to make is don`t judge the fans you see on TV who are actually at the game when the action is happening .
People act differently at live games.
If you want me to apologize to yet another poster ramming his views down my throat about how lucky we were to have Hughton then tough.
Other than that
I agree
Clearly it wasn`t too long for you to get your gums around Munky.Great post mate, sadly I feel the people it is most appropriate too won't read it all because "it's too long" and they won't bother digesting the words of wisdom you offer
One further point to add, can you imagine the **** Hootun would have received for bringing on Elmander for RVW when 2-0 down? Ok, I've not followed the match thread today so the decision might have been criticised (though not by me, I rate Elmander personally), but I'm sure certain people would have made allowances they wouldn't have done had it been the precious manager making that call.
Hmm. It's got a certain ring to it. Want to join my club?
(Hopefully travelling 1200 miles to see Fulham make fools of us doesn't invalidate my presidency?!)
Great post mate, sadly I feel the people it is most appropriate too won't read it all because "it's too long" and they won't bother digesting the words of wisdom you offer
One further point to add, can you imagine the **** Hootun would have received for bringing on Elmander for RVW when 2-0 down? Ok, I've not followed the match thread today so the decision might have been criticised (though not by me, I rate Elmander personally), but I'm sure certain people would have made allowances they wouldn't have done had it been the precious manager making that call.
For one, Hughton brought in Elmander and two, Hughton has history with bad subs and emphasis on defending.
You don't know Adams intentions because he doesn't have Hughtons history behind him so it's quite clear that Adams will not get the grief Hughton did.