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MP saddened by cup fallout

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by hotbovril, Feb 20, 2014.

  1. SouthamptonFCroatia

    SouthamptonFCroatia Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but I expect more involvement in other fields of the pitch as well.


    Steven Davis against Sunderland

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    And here's Hull City


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    (though it's always a question of how accurate are these heat maps)
     
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  2. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    What game is that from? The Sunderland cup game? Only it doesn't look like a full 90 minutes (or anything like it).
     
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  3. SAINTDON13

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    In your opinion she is wrong, I think you are wrong, but that is only in my opinion also. You are correct that Artur hasn't featured in any of the Cup squads, but like the rest of us can have no idea why. The actual FA Cup squads have been fairly consistent and only obvious injuries have seen it change. It has been pointed out that the XI chosen against Sunderland were fully capable of beating the side put out, something went wrong and no amount of speculation has yet come up with an accurate reason why we failed. We picked up three yellow cards for minor infringements, those players opted not to pick up a second and could partially explain a lack of effort for fear of a costly Red.
     
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  4. pass the football

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    No, she's factually wrong; Pochettino did not express disappointment in the fans, only the media. That's not my opinion. The Boruc point was perhaps more speculative, but the balance of probability surely favours my analysis.

    It's all very well saying it was the same squad as the other cup games, but this was a significantly stronger challenge than the previous games. None of us can say for sure what the result might have been, but given that it was a more difficult opponent than previously, it would have been prudent to play a stronger team.
     
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  5. fatletiss

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    the point is though, is his post covers both ... bad selection, bad performance.... one is the manager, the other is the players and hence some of us won't sit back when the manager gets attributed with 100% blame.
     
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  6. pass the football

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    I still haven't seen anyone saying the manager is 100% to blame. This is a thread about his reaction so of course people are going to be focussing on him here.
     
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  7. fatletiss

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    PTF, sometimes you are too "exacting" when you look at people's views. Fran's sentiment was correct, if from reading through the posts that you (as I do) believe what she is trying to say is that it was not ALL the managers fault. Yes, there is some blame at his door, but not 100%.

    I don't think Fran was trying to make any factual point at all, she was trying to put a sensible overview of what has become a fairly raucous debate. There is a lot of grey between black and white.
     
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  8. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    I stand corrected...Having looked again at MP's interview, he was talking about the fans, but then moved on...so was probably talking about the media's response to the players rather than that of the fans (assuming he doesn't read forum sites<laugh>).
     
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  9. fatletiss

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    here's one. I may have misinterpreted though :D
     
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  10. Archers Road

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    No one's ever 100% wrong, for anything. But hopefully both players & manager can learn from their errors, & get it right on saturday. I think thats more or less what the manager said.

    Im confident well beat west ham, then perhaps last weekend will be forgotten. I fully expect mauricip to get the team selection right, & the players to put in a top performance.
     
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  11. fatletiss

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    I hope you are right... I have one of those "pit of the stomach" feelings
     
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  12. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    I was worried from the moment I saw the team, because I don't think we are strong enough in depth to mix the team up. It wasn't the team I'd have picked...the same as most of you. However, I rush to Mauricio's defence when the conspiracy theorists come out...he picked the team, hoping it could win, and it didn't. He may have erred on the side of caution with the players and may have had too much belief in the players...but there is nothing deeper than that going on here. He's not perfect and neither is the team.
     
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  13. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    Ha, well ok, that is pretty clear I guess.

    Either way, it's a minority view.
     
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  14. Archers Road

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    I'm confident, really. So one of us is wrong. Don't you just love football?
     
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  15. fatletiss

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    Not the day before a west ham game anymore; I just don't look forward to it at all. I'd take you being right though :)
     
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  16. pass the football

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    Thanks for the clarification. I don't think it's a conspiracy as such, I just think that he doesn't care about the cup as much as he says he does. I'm sure he hoped, and had every right to think, that the team he picked would be good enough, but the fact is it was a weaker side than it could have been. Although the players generally underperformed, as the manager the buck stops with him.
     
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  17. SAINTDON13

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    Saints manager Mauricio Pochettino rejected the notion that he had been disrespectful towards the FA Cup last weekend.
    Pochettino was heavily criticised after he made six changes to the team that lost 1-0 at Sunderland in the fifth round of the competition.
    But the Saints boss insisted he had picked the best side available to him, and said he felt that some of the comments in the aftermath of the result had been disrespectful to his players. He said: &#8220;During the time we&#8217;ve been here we&#8217;ve always shown proof that we fully care about the English competitions, especially the FA Cup and the Capital One Cup, and we&#8217;ve always shown that full respect towards those competitions". &#8220;It is true that day we did have a bad day. Perhaps we were not as fresh as we could have been and I completely understand the disappointment of the fans, because we were also disappointed in the same manner and to the same extent.&#8221;

    Pochettino added: &#8220;As we always do, we chose the best starting eleven, what we thought was the best starting eleven for the club, for the team, that day".
    &#8220;We made the correct decision in picking those players, but it is true that we didn&#8217;t actually get through the tie. We weren&#8217;t able to do that on that day, and it&#8217;s not because of a lack of respect". &#8220;That&#8217;s never the case, because we fully respect the FA Cup.
    &#8220;It is true that we had had two tough games before that, here at St Mary&#8217;s against Stoke and then a long trip away against Hull, and perhaps the team was strained mentally and physically, that is true".
    &#8220;Perhaps the team was not as fresh as it could have been, but the players that we chose were the best players for that day".
    &#8220;It&#8217;s also clear that the third game is always the toughest out of the three, and it&#8217;s clear that we didn&#8217;t have a good day".
    &#8220;But I completely reject any sort of criticism that we didn&#8217;t put out the best team for that day".
    &#8220;We&#8217;ve shown in the time that we&#8217;ve been here that we&#8217;ve always picked the squad that&#8217;s best for every single game and we&#8217;ve also shown that all players can play, and that all players have the capacity, have the skill, to play in the Premier League, and those players were no different that day.
    &#8220;I also want to say that, not exactly that it makes me angry, but more than anything it makes me sad, the fact that with these type of comments that came after that game, they&#8217;re quite disrespectful to the players that were actually on the pitch. I think all players that are part of this team are full professionals, they will have the capacity to play in the Premier League and in the FA Cup, and I think the comments that came after that game were very disrespectful to the players that were on the pitch that day.&#8221;

    There are many ways of interpretting what he is saying here, I doubt you would get 100% reading it the same way.
     
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  18. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Mauricio always claims that it is the team that deserves all the plaudits after a good result...luckily for them, after a defeat, he doesn't come out and say nothing to do with me..it was those idiots on the pitch. :)
     
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  19. pass the football

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    Well indeed, with the context of the questions (on the video) it's clearer that he was referring to comments from the media such as the Lineker/Savage tweets.
     
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  20. SAINTDON13

    SAINTDON13 Well-Known Member

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    The question is, were the comments placed on here and other Forums, sparked by the comments of the commentators, or were they from people of a like mind?
     
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