Assem Allam on meeting with supporters re name change.
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This again? You know perfectly well a minority are against it, another minority are for it, and the majority don't care one way or the other, and certainly not enough to join either of the 2 minorities.
Of the 1850 members on here, wasn't it about 1800 who couldn't even be arsed to click a vote button?
That's not even counting the actual thousands of fans who go to games, are proper supporters too, but don't use the internet/forums like this one and also don't care enough to involve themselves in a campaign.
All I can say is that you are completely different to anyone I know.
Life just isn't black and white. There isn't a single isolated thing that completely changes everything in 99.9999999% of situations.
I'll use a metaphor once more.
At one end of the scale if Assem Allam wanted to move the Club to Edinburgh, change the strip to all green with pink spots and call it Yeovilton Albion, of course nobody could possibly recognise it from the original club. If on the other hand he decided to change the shorts from being Black to being Amber, then that is still a change but most would agree it was a highly insignificant one and not worth getting up tight about.
Now the important thing is in between these two extremes are many, many other variations of changes that could be made that would be offensive to some but not to others in differing degrees depending on peoples points of view. Some people will say at one point along the continuum the Club ceases to be the Club, other people will see it as being further along.
My opinion is although the dropping of City and AFC from the name is undesireable, I'm not prepared to criticise the man who saved the club from non-existence over it, I am not going to boycott anything, I am going to continue to buy season passes and to go to games and for me it is still the same club as it always has been.
You obviously have a different opinion about it to me, which is fair enough, but my opinion is no less valid than yours and you should respect that rather than dismiss it as being ridiculous.
I think the number who are truly engaged in opposing the name change can be judged by the number of scarves sold, minus a proportion which will have been bought for kids or just because they are actually quite nice scarves.
Well put that Strov. If I recall, wasn't it last season or maybe the season before we had people really annoyed about our socks?
I'm pretty sure I did nothing of the sort. I clearly said "I dont get it", which isnt dismissive by any stretch of the imagination and clearly restricts it my own personal opinion, and I never used the word ridiculous.
As for the kit reference, that's another one I just dont understand. People keep saying to me "as long as we play in black and amber..." and they mocked what happened to Cardiff but this is far, far more significant in my eyes.
I would just like to add to Bums Chins, we had a period playing in blue home shirts. So by your logic the 109 year old club has actually been 3 different clubs.
Don't get me wrong here, I would far rather the name of the football Club I have supported for 42 years remain as Hull City AFC and if other changes to the club were made, there would undoubtedly come a point when I too would be up in arms about what was being done. It's just that at this point in time, what he is doing when balanced against all the good he has done for the club, comes nowhere near me joining in the revolt.
When did I ever mention the kit was the club or indeed even important to me?
On the contrary, I clearly stated that the name was the ONLY constant in 109 years. I really do think you're getting confused.
Same for me, but I really don't care about the AFC bit, I would prefer to stay as Hull City.
Although the attitude of some of those associated with the CTWD campaign are starting to turn my stomach.
He can "call in the loan" but he wont get the money because the club hasn't got the money.
Thrown away?
He has put this money against the club with an interest due each year and i believe the last accounts showed that he took 2 million in interest back. Which works out a very good annual return on 66 million investments. This money is owed to him, he hasn't thrown it away, we still owe it to him. He could start selling the players and take his money back at any time.
Its the same with the KC, he wanted it free to then build on it to make profits, who for? For himself surely, for no other reason. It wasn't to make Hull a brilliant place to live. If it was he would be investing that money elsewhere in Hull in more sporting facilities.
He constantly states that he needs more money, where is this money coming from? Why would a name change suddenly bring millions in? It won't. Show us some evidence and some may believe you.
My only issue is what happens if he changes it? Do we stop supporting the club? Do we continue protesting at matches, singing the songs and bringing the banner. Do we boycott all things Hull Tigers?
Whats the CTWD campaign's views on that?
If Assem seriously believes that, then there's an obvious way to find out, just offer all season ticket holders a vote on the name change(as he said he would at the meeting incidentally).
I would welcome it, but would he?
Would he ****, that's why there won't be one.
There's only two posters on this board that are members of the CTWD campaign, myself and Obi and I don't believe either of us have said anything stomach turning.
Asssuming that as Allam has said, the debt has risen to £66m, then the interest this year will be £3.3m this year.
I've no problem with him loaning the club the money and charging interest on it, though he should probably stop calling it a gift until he converts some to shares.
He hasn't had his old name for 109 years.
I don't think it makes any difference to the amount of money he earns.
We've discussed this many, many times on here. The only way Assem Allam will ever come anywhere near getting his money back will be if he keeps us in the Premier League for many, many years; given his age I doubt even then he will see his money returned.
For me whether he gets his money back or not is irrelevant. He put at risk a vast fortune for our benefit when nobody else would have done. At that time there was very little chance of his seeing any of that money again.
