Mouser Watch #2

[Hoddle is a god]

Ezekiel Friers... Why do you think Utd let him go?

But, they didn't "let him go," did they?

You obviously didn't bother to read the outrage on the United board, when the player decided to leave them and join us. Please don't try and be clever with me; you'll end up making yourself look sillier than you already obviously are.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

Couldn't he?

Berbatov was top scorer in the PL in 2010/11 when we were champions. That's like Suarez with an end product.

As for Carrick, show me a better midfielder this season. I think his contribution has been as important as RvP's. It's no coincidence that he's played 55 of the last 57 PL games.

Little Luke, it is pointless trying to hold a reasonable debate with Mousers. They still see themselves as your main rival, FFS!

 

[Toela65]

Thank your lucky stars you have him, because without him and his goals, you'd be fighting a relegation battle right now.

As much as I detest the man, I have to admit that he is carrying 'Pool at the moment. Take him away, and you are a very average Championship side.

You could just as easy be referencing Bale and Spurs there but I wouldn't be as ridiculous or as melodramatic to suggest you'd only be Championship level, but you wouldn't be above Arsenal of that I have no doubt. Bale has basically won the last 5 games on his own. At least we have Sturridge and Countinho chipping in to. While Defoe was injured and Adebayor either out or ****e when he's played anyway you have exclusively had to rely on Bale alone to win your recent games.

 

[Toela65]

Spurs for all their greatness have not even managed an as high finish in the PL as dysfunctional Liverpool.. Ever..

3rd is giving them vertigo. I won't even get into honours won, not even in the last 2 years

Make that the last year!

Looking for success at Spurs is like looking for unspoiled turkey in a chelsea FC canteen

Exactly what the Gooners are saying but they don't seem to mind that their recent achievements amount to 1 measley CL run and winning the "We Finished Above Liverpool" Trophy. If they finish the season with an auto place in the CL, the "We Finished Above Liverpool" Trophy and the much desired, but hitherto never won in my memory, "We Finished Above Arsenal" Trophy, i actually think HIAG may drown in his own jizz.

 

[Toela65]

Robert Huth might be a great guy off the pitch too but that doesn't mean that he's not a twat on the pitch. Ultimately that's where they'll be judged for their character so Suarez will largely be looked on as a dirty player and a cheat. It's not cooked up by the media and I wouldn't be that surprised if Suarez picked up the one voted for by football writers, there are plenty of Liverpool loving pundits and journos that will vote for Suarez regardless.

If it came down to who was the best player in the league it would go to RVP, followed by Yaya Toure and Kompany. It's about who's having the best season though, which is why Suarez and Bale are in with a shout.

I'm assuming you were talking about his contribution as in goals/assists to team goals scored as RVP has more combined goals and assists but what does that matter? All it does is show that Liverpool rely on him more than United to RVP but you'd expect that since RVP is playing for a side at the top of the league and Suarez is definitely not. Even if you ignored that you're saying Suarez is better and said they were equally good, if you placed one player in the best side in the league and one in a midtable side, you'd expect that the player in the lower league side would contribute a bigger portion of their goals. You'd expect his goals to have contributed more points too but it hasn't which is the only reason Liverpool fans aren't shouting out that particular stat from the rooftops. Funnily enough, Van Persie still contributes You can pick and chose stats all you want but we've all seen them play regularly over the season but I can't see past RVP for deserving player of the year at the moment.

Thats the weirdest logic ever.

Most pundits, ex-professionals and fans within the LFC universe have a consensus that Gerrard just edge's out Dalglish as our greatest ever player. When they explain why they say its because Gerrard has done what he's done without the help of having a constant championship winning team, and many world-class players around him, helping him to achieve what he achieved. He's done a lot of it on his own.

That's why Suarez is a more complete player than RVP. He does what he does in a supposedly dogshit medicore team with **** players around him not enabling him or assisting him to do what he does like RVP has at Man U, and earlier Arsenal. To produce what Suarez has produced in this LFC team the last 2.5 years, mostly on his own and creating everything himself, for himself.

This is why many people involved in the game, and not just Liverpool-centrics, believe Suarez edges out RVP. Put RVP in this Liverpool team of the last 2 and a half seasons he will not have the numbers Suarez does because he doesn't create most of his own goals out of nothing for himself.

 

[Toela65]

As you can see your second post is an apt description of your first. What the flying **** are you on about???

So according to you, because you haven't met, or know some one who's met a person your describing, that means you can't possibly know what they are really like does it?? I can only assume this is imbecile logic.

Personally I have not, nor do I know anyone who's met the Queen, apparently she's a nice lady, but if we use Toelas theory I shall assume she's a nasty old bitch till I can prove it myself.

So what if one person you know thinks Suarez is a great person?? Before they were caught, I expect the neighbours of Fred and Rose West thought they were a nice couple! Suarez is slated because he's a cheat, a dirty tackler (find one of Bale going over the top) and a racist, not because he talks pleasantries and the weather with someone random.

In your defence, Eric Cantona was nominated while under his long ban, thing there is, despite his wrongdoing, people outside United still liked Cantona!

You cannot form a fully innformed opinion on someones character unless you actually spend time with them or speak to somebody who knows that person well and can offer a character reference for want of a better phrase. This is why we have charactr references in Law so as one side or the other can't create their own, biased picture of what sort of person somebody is.

You can't decide you defo know Suarez is a horrid person because he bends the rules on the pitch, can be a bit dirty and will literally do anything, ANYTHING, to make his team win (which is largely due to his culture and upbringing & only a problem in this country where we demand everybody to change who they are to fit our ideals). Everything I've heard from someone who has spent time with him on many different occasions, and from someone whoses opinion I trust and value, is that he couldn't be more different off the pitch, to how he is off it and that he is an extremely down to earth, quiet, generous and nice person who cares about his friends and family and his supporters very deeply.

People are basing their opinion of him, as a person on and off the pitch away from the game, by solely his conduct on the pitch and what the extremely reliable and not at all agenda-driven media says (remember when they were all rushing to tell us how evil he was to kiss his hand after the handball goal at Mansfield? Then they all had to backtrack when they realised he does that every goal? That was when I realised it had gotten beyond a joke the way he is represented by the media.

If his fellow professionals speak to Luis off the pitch in the players lounges etc after the game and through footy get to know him a little as a person off the pitch, based on what Ste has told me and what other people involved with the club have said about him, I'm sure they would see he's not this absolute horrible **** the media like to portay. If other players get to know the person Suarez actually really is, I'm sure most of them would have no issue voting for him for player of the year.

He's not as hated as people make out. Since the diving stopped months ago he doesn't to be getting as much guff written about him and just getting plaudits for his talent and performances.

 

[BringBackfootie]

I love the way fans talk as if they know these players personally and can make informed judgements on their character/personality. **** me its pathetic.

Since everyone else is doing it I'll jump in too. I have a good friend who I grew up with at School who used to play for Liverpool and now plays for Leeds but is till in contact with a lot of LFC people. He says whats so funny is that Suarez is genuinely one of the nicest, down to earth friendly people at the club and LFC staff, who obviously know him well, think this pantomine villian character thats been created by the media to portray Suarez is hilarious as it couldn't be further from the truth. He's one of the most popular people at the club.

Thats my contribution, but at least some of mine is based on information from people who know him and have been around him a lot.

He's the best player in the league and has made a bigger contribution to his team in terms of goals and assists than any of his peers, and has also been doing this all season not just in runs or purple patches. Nothing else matters a jot and for that reason alone he should win every player of the year award this season unless he suffers a sudden massive drop in form and performance for the last 10 games.

If he doesn't win it then he's had th piss taken out of him and our game in this country will be even more of a laughing stock off the field.

This, in Holland the fans loved him. Besides if I was a player I'd rather be a **** on the pitch than off it surely?

Lets all hail Giggs for his brilliant football and being a terrible human being, proper selfish dishonest cheating scummer, I mean, doing one over on your own family and wrecking two families while he was at it.

But that appears to be better than being a villain on the pitch according to PNP and HIAG and a few others.


Neither of them know fk all about Suarez. HIAG is a lawyer apparently and he doesn't know what defamation of character is

 

[BringBackfootie]

What makes it so much sweeter is the seething jealousy from those two, they want Suarez and Liverpool to fail so badly, which is just sad.

To bang on and on about the guys teeth C'mon! FFS All the whinging on here a while back about personal insults, kind of.. well.. you see what I'm getting at

 

[BringBackfootie]

OMGF, who's crying about negative rep

Some of you are really pathetic. Like rep means anything, and if it did, and the rep score was in some accurate, some of you'd be -1m rep.

But it means nothing! there's a rep thread ffs and some have over 1k rep, so stop whinging about it

 

[gaf 71]

Spurs for all their greatness have not even managed an as high finish in the PL as dysfunctional Liverpool.. Ever..

3rd is giving them vertigo. I won't even get into honours won, not even in the last 2 years

Make that the last year!

Looking for success at Spurs is like looking for unspoiled turkey in a chelsea FC canteen

i actually think HIAG may drown in his own jizz.

Ugh. What a disgusting thought. Thanks for putting that image in my mind.

 

[gaf 71]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9905978/Liverpool-fear-that-sins-from-the-past-could-rob-striker-Luiz-Suarez-of-rightful-honour-of-being-player-of-the-year.html

 

[NSIS]

You cannot form a fully innformed opinion on someones character unless you actually spend time with them or speak to somebody who knows that person well and can offer a character reference for want of a better phrase. This is why we have charactr references in Law so as one side or the other can't create their own, biased picture of what sort of person somebody is.

You can't decide you defo know Suarez is a horrid person because he bends the rules on the pitch, can be a bit dirty and will literally do anything, ANYTHING, to make his team win (which is largely due to his culture and upbringing & only a problem in this country where we demand everybody to change who they are to fit our ideals). Everything I've heard from someone who has spent time with him on many different occasions, and from someone whoses opinion I trust and value, is that he couldn't be more different off the pitch, to how he is off it and that he is an extremely down to earth, quiet, generous and nice person who cares about his friends and family and his supporters very deeply.

People are basing their opinion of him, as a person on and off the pitch away from the game, by solely his conduct on the pitch and what the extremely reliable and not at all agenda-driven media says (remember when they were all rushing to tell us how evil he was to kiss his hand after the handball goal at Mansfield? Then they all had to backtrack when they realised he does that every goal? That was when I realised it had gotten beyond a joke the way he is represented by the media.

If his fellow professionals speak to Luis off the pitch in the players lounges etc after the game and through footy get to know him a little as a person off the pitch, based on what Ste has told me and what other people involved with the club have said about him, I'm sure they would see he's not this absolute horrible **** the media like to portay. If other players get to know the person Suarez actually really is, I'm sure most of them would have no issue voting for him for player of the year.

He's not as hated as people make out. Since the diving stopped months ago he doesn't to be getting as much guff written about him and just getting plaudits for his talent and performances.

Pretty poor excuse. I live in Spain. As I live in somebody else's country, I conform, as far as possible, to what is expected of me here. Suarez is a world class striker, but his antics very often detract from that. He knows what the rules are, they're not much different anywhere in Europe.

 

[Deleted 1]

There's no doubt Suarez is having a very good season and is a quality player but do Liverpool fans on here really believe he's easily the player of the season? I'd have him on the short list but with Bale and Van Persie it's very hard to call in my opinion.

His time will come though - next season he'll be at Watford and when he clinches the title for us on the last day there will be no arguments

 

[Redbrynner]

But, they didn't "let him go," did they?

You obviously didn't bother to read the outrage on the United board, when the player decided to leave them and join us. Please don't try and be clever with me; you'll end up making yourself look sillier than you already obviously are.

I dont have to try and be clever, i was born it. Unlike some, who speak with a self confidence that is not backed up by natural talent.

Ezekiel Friers is not and never will be the world beater you claim and I challenge you to find one Manchester United fan who thinks he is destined to be the worlds best left back.

We will just have to give it time and see who is right. But considering Friers was a youth prospect about 2 and a half years ago and has made no strides forwards since, I think it is safe to say he is not turning his potential into the quality that would make him an asset on an international level.

HIAG, you are like too many people in this country. Mouthy and arrogant, with nothing to back it up.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

Thats the weirdest logic ever.

Most pundits, ex-professionals and fans within the LFC universe have a consensus that Gerrard just edge's out Dalglish as our greatest ever player. When they explain why they say its because Gerrard has done what he's done without the help of having a constant championship winning team, and many world-class players around him, helping him to achieve what he achieved. He's done a lot of it on his own.

That's why Suarez is a more complete player than RVP. He does what he does in a supposedly dogshit medicore team with **** players around him not enabling him or assisting him to do what he does like RVP has at Man U, and earlier Arsenal. To produce what Suarez has produced in this LFC team the last 2.5 years, mostly on his own and creating everything himself, for himself.

This is why many people involved in the game, and not just Liverpool-centrics, believe Suarez edges out RVP. Put RVP in this Liverpool team of the last 2 and a half seasons he will not have the numbers Suarez does because he doesn't create most of his own goals out of nothing for himself.

There's really little point having this argument as you can't see past your own bias. You'll twist anything you can to make it look better for Suarez, even talking about your own team as "****" and creating nothing. The indignation has kicked into overdrive with your fans ever since he overtook RVP in the scoring charts but the reality is no one rates a player as highly for tearing apart Wigan and Norwich, scoring 9 goals compared to RVP who consistently makes the difference in big games and still scores consistently everywhere else. Saying RVP wouldn't have done as well over the last 2 and a half years at a "****" team like Liverpool is blind speculation at best.

 

[Deleted 1]

I dont have to try and be clever, i was born it. Unlike some, who speak with a self confidence that is not backed up by natural talent.

Ezekiel Friers is not and never will be the world beater you claim and I challenge you to find one Manchester United fan who thinks he is destined to be the worlds best left back.

We will just have to give it time and see who is right. But considering Friers was a youth prospect about 2 and a half years ago and has made no strides forwards since, I think it is safe to say he is not turning his potential into the quality that would make him an asset on an international level.

HIAG, you are like too many people in this country. Mouthy and arrogant, with nothing to back it up.

Given the way that Sir Alex Ferguson reacted when Spurs signed him I think it's safe to say that he is rated very highly indeed by people who know what they're doing. But of course that doesn't guarantee anything - he did sign Eric Djemba Djemba and Klebersson after all.......

 

[No Kane No Gain]

You cannot form a fully innformed opinion on someones character unless you actually spend time with them or speak to somebody who knows that person well and can offer a character reference for want of a better phrase. This is why we have charactr references in Law so as one side or the other can't create their own, biased picture of what sort of person somebody is.

What are your opinions on Evra and Fergie?

 

[notsosmartspur]

You cannot form a fully innformed opinion on someones character unless you actually spend time with them or speak to somebody who knows that person well and can offer a character reference for want of a better phrase. This is why we have charactr references in Law

Really!, so what was my history lessons at school in aid of? does that mean all the descriptions of our monarchs for example is bullshit just because everyone who knew them is dead and we can't ask for a character reference?? ...bloody hell mate, I've met some dillons before, but the biscuit is all yours atm. Now which size shovel do you want to keep digging this hole?

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

This, in Holland the fans loved him. Besides if I was a player I'd rather be a **** on the pitch than off it surely?
Lets all hail Giggs for his brilliant football and being a terrible human being, proper selfish dishonest cheating scummer, I mean, doing one over on your own family and wrecking two families while he was at it.
But that appears to be better than being a villain on the pitch according to PNP and HIAG and a few others.
Neither of them know fk all about Suarez. HIAG is a lawyer apparently and he doesn't know what defamation of character is

When did I even imply that? My point is and has clearly been this whole time that players will be less likely to vote for Suarez because of his behaviour on the pitch.
Stewart Downing agrees with me and Gaf's even posted a link to your manager saying the same thing.

What makes it so much sweeter is the seething jealousy from those two, they want Suarez and Liverpool to fail so badly, which is just sad.

Have you ever considered actually reading people's comments, rather than attributing random emotions to them based upon misconceptions, BBF?
Not picking up The Player of the Year Award wouldn't be failure for Liverpool or Suarez anyway, so I've no idea what you're on about, frankly.
You seem to be confusing what people think will happen with what they want to happen. They're not necessarily the same thing.

 

[Wandering Yid]

I think BBF is trying to get himself banned, probably considers it a badge of honour. It's literally the only plausible explanation for such repeated obtusity.