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This thing with the goalscoring is an on-going problem at the club going back a few years now, Barmby was berated because of it and now it seems Bruce is getting flak too. There is a simple answer to this question is and that is the club has to sign at least one proven goalscorer, not getting 2 is understandable given that we have Fryatt already even if he is crocked. The punt on Proschwitz hasn't worked out as they should have got a proven goalscorer in our kind of football not the continent where they play a different game. He can still come good really but they picked the wrong player to get the goals.
 
Then lets wind back the clock, play Faye and Hobbs and watch them both get injured in a game that doesn't matter to us one way or another...
 
Benjo said:
Then lets wind back the clock, play Faye and Hobbs and watch them both get injured in a game that doesn't matter to us one way or another...
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Not in the FA Cup, I'm talking about league games, why was Bruce and McShane playing against Peterborough? They will probaly play against Millwall too when Hobbs and Faye should play
 
Benjo said:
Then lets wind back the clock, play Faye and Hobbs and watch them both get injured in a game that doesn't matter to us one way or another...
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Hobbs came back looking like he'd never been away, I was amazed that he didn't start at Peterborough and I was disappointed that he didn't start today.

Is Bruce being picked because he's the best option, or is he being picked because he's the gaffers son? It's a question that can easily be avoided, by not signing your own son, if he's good enough, someone else will sign him.
 
Beverley_Tiger_998 said:
I didn't go today so I can't really comment on the game. However, I do know what you mean about converting chances. The way I see it; any great team needs great strikers. We have a great team, we do not have a single great striker. (Maybe Fryatt but he's injured so pointless conversation) Aluko for me is a winger, he's the best we have so naturally you will put him up front but his strengths make him a winger. Look at the team we went up with in this league. Yes okay, perhaps the quality in the midfield and defence was perhaps not as good as the current team. But Windass and Campbell were strikers. would you ever consider playing them in midfield? No.

For me that is what we are missing.


I Actually think that the best formation for us would be




----------------Stockdale----------------
Rosy -------Hobbs--------Chester -------(need a player)

Elmo ------Korren --------Meyler --------( Aluko)

--------(need two new strikers)-----------
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Just one small point, Windass started with us as a midfielder and was converted to striker as an emergency and look how that turned out. Although to be fair he was one of the best ever midfielders I've seen wearing a Tigers shirt, shame we couldn't clone him.
 
Hobbs has fairly recently returned from injury and Faye likely can't handle a run of games... We don't see what Bruce does in training. I agree about McShane, he's dire. But Bruce Jr can do a good job and seems to be the most vocal of our defenders.

As mentioned above we're struggling with scoring... as a result when we conede the odd goal (as you're going to in many games) we end up losing and drawing games instead of winning. Week in week out, other teams in this league will put 2, 3 or 4 past a team and win with a decent goal margin. We do this maybe two or three times a season. It's not good enough but the fact that we're 3rd is both baffling and pleasantly surprising.
 
Summerof69 said:
Just one small point, Windass started with us as a midfielder and was converted to striker as an emergency and look how that turned out. Although to be fair he was one of the best ever midfielders I've seen wearing a Tigers shirt, shame we couldn't clone him.
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The way things went in second half today, I'd have been happy to see Faye brought on to play up front.
 
TayLorTiGer said:
Because his dad is the manager, Bruce is a brilliant manager but when he starts playing his son over our best defender and a premier league experienced defender it really pisses me off. Faye and Hobbs should replace McShane and Bruce and the armband should be given back to Hobbs as Koren is not fit to lead as captain. Koren is a good player but once Hobbs get that armband back our team will be more disciplined.
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spot on - **** knows why Bruce is playing - we're back to hoof ball with him in the side - we have much more composure with Faye and Hobbs - Meyler was total gash today - he just doesnt get stuck in and slows things down too much partly cos he has no pace
 
Benjo said:
Hobbs has fairly recently returned from injury and Faye likely can't handle a run of games... We don't see what Bruce does in training. I agree about McShane, he's dire. But Bruce Jr can do a good job and seems to be the most vocal of our defenders.

As mentioned above we're struggling with scoring... as a result when we conede the odd goal (as you're going to in many games) we end up losing and drawing games instead of winning. Week in week out, other teams in this league will put 2, 3 or 4 past a team and win with a decent goal margin. We do this maybe two or three times a season. It's not good enough but the fact that we're 3rd is both baffling and pleasantly surprising.
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McShane is dire? - totally clueless - hes been MOM almost every game recently - now Simpson is dire
 
Don't get this Faye can't play loads of games crap, everytime he plays he's our best defender, look at over the Christmas period, absolute quality against Derby, Leicester and Leeds. Hobbs the same, he's not looked like he's struggled apart from against Wednesday, when he wasn't even the worst of a bad bunch. Bruce can't trap or pass a ball and only looks so good because his positioning is so **** he has to dive into tackles, as I've said all season.

Koren needs to play in midfield, because otherwise we're not going to create many chances without Elmo, even if it means recalling McLean or starting with Simpson with Proschwitz.
 
Goochie said:
Don't get this Faye can't play loads of games crap, everytime he plays he's our best defender, look at over the Christmas period, absolute quality against Derby, Leicester and Leeds. Hobbs the same, he's not looked like he's struggled apart from against Wednesday, when he wasn't even the worst of a bad bunch. Bruce can't trap or pass a ball and only looks so good because his positioning is so **** he has to dive into tackles, as I've said all season.

Koren needs to play in midfield, because otherwise we're not going to create many chances without Elmo, even if it means recalling McLean or starting with Simpson with Proschwitz.
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I didn't state it as fact, I said 'likely'... And what if that IS the case? My point is we don't know for sure because we don't see what Bruce sees in training. I agree he should be playing every game. The only logical reason for me that he doesn't play every game is that he isn't fit enough to do so consitently. But you nor I know if that's the case despite how 'crap' you think it might be.

As for McShane, I disagree with his MOM's. He's dire and gets so lucky by getting away with constant mistakes. Letting the ball bounce, getting turned, pulling shirts and manhandling attackers every game. People can suck his rod as much as they like for now but they'll probably side with everyone else in bashing him when he inevitably starts dropping clangers in important games again. Bruce knows this too... That's why he played in a game that didn't matter. At least I'm consistent... but I'd love him to prove me wrong.
 
Although I agree with the sentiment, ISTPLT, we didn't dominate quite as much as you reckon we did - possession 50-50 <whistle>
 
Beverley_Tiger_998 said:
There is nothing wrong with the quality of the players in the midfield. It's the type of players. Quinn, Meyler, Koren, Aluko, are all very attacking. We need another Ashbee to boss the middle of the park, doesn't even have to make a single contribution to our attack, we have enough talent for that just needed to scare the **** out of the oppo, cause hassle in the middle etc... more importantly though we lack a leader for me.

Edit: It was like the nick Barmby problem though, he never really fit into our formation due to his style of play and as a result the whole team often suffered when we tried to play him. Even though obviously he was a class player.

With Elmo now out of the picture, we will not replace his quality with another wingback so for me we have to abandon the formation now.
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There is **** all wrong with either the defence or the midfield and attack, that is a ****ing joke right? It is our finishing that is the problem, was the same last year. Until we get that sorted we are pissing in the wind. It also think you lot have been unfair to McShane, He has hardly put a foot wrong this season, certainly no more than an others in the defence and I think if big Olly hadn't have got in the way he would of been on the scoresheet yesterday.
 
merchantman5 said:
There is **** all wrong with either the defence or the midfield and attack, that is a ****ing joke right? It is our finishing that is the problem, was the same last year. Until we get that sorted we are pissing in the wind. It also think you lot have been unfair to McShane, He has hardly put a foot wrong this season, certainly no more than an others in the defence and I think if big Olly hadn't have got in the way he would of been on the scoresheet yesterday.
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Nothing wrong with our attack? are you deluded? Finishing is the job of the attackers. Also I have said that there isn't a lot wrong with the defence and the midfield, did you even read my post or just quote it?
 
Benjo:4170868 said:
I didn't state it as fact, I said 'likely'... And what if that IS the case? My point is we don't know for sure because we don't see what Bruce sees in training. I agree he should be playing every game. The only logical reason for me that he doesn't play every game is that he isn't fit enough to do so consitently. But you nor I know if that's the case despite how 'crap' you think it might be.

As for McShane, I disagree with his MOM's. He's dire and gets so lucky by getting away with constant mistakes. Letting the ball bounce, getting turned, pulling shirts and manhandling attackers every game. People can suck his rod as much as they like for now but they'll probably side with everyone else in bashing him when he inevitably starts dropping clangers in important games again. Bruce knows this too... That's why he played in a game that didn't matter. At least I'm consistent... but I'd love him to prove me wrong.
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Maybe crap was a bit strong, but he was sat on the bench for about 6 weeks earlier in the season, comes back and doesnt put a foot wrong, then gets dropped again for macca and Bruce who arent in the same league as him. I hope its just Bruce managing him because if age, but I think his preferred back 3 is the one hes playing now.
 
Beverley_Tiger_998 said:
Nothing wrong with our attack? are you deluded? Finishing is the job of the attackers. Also I have said that there isn't a lot wrong with the defence and the midfield, did you even read my post or just quote it?
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To be fair I do get his point to an extent, even if it's not worded brilliantly.

And I agree - our strikers do everything right except the finish. They get in the right positions, they turn the right way...(granted not always, but enough to score a goal or two) but it always glances just wide.

I don't know, maybe we should just tell Simpson/Aluko to just whack the bloody thing - they're the type of finishers who try and place it beautifully in the corner as opposed to just smashing it in a the general direction of the right/left of the goal.
 
charon-the-ferryman said:
spot on - **** knows why Bruce is playing - we're back to hoof ball with him in the side - we have much more composure with Faye and Hobbs - Meyler was total gash today - he just doesnt get stuck in and slows things down too much partly cos he has no pace
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I agree about Bruce. Ecerytime he got the ball, he was hoofing it for prozzy to get a flick on to....... Nobody!

Disagree about Meyler though. He didn't have a great game but he makes intelligent runs and gets into good positions. He goes down to easy but atleast he actually battles for the ball.
 
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