Jimmy Carr

[KIO]

To be honest since the raising of VAT to 20% many small businesses have been forced to fiddle.It's either that or go out of business.Many people point blank refuse to deal with you unless you circumvent the tax.

This is very true, in the business that I'm in you would always get tradesmen doing the odd 'cash job' , but now it's become much more common. At the end of the day if someone wants to pay me £5k cash for goods that's fine. As a company we're doing nothing wrong it's none of our business how our customers' manage their accounts

 

[Tony_Munky_Canary]

I acn't see what the problem is, you employ an accountant to look after your money and to find a legal way to pay less tax. I does anybody here put money into an ISA? you can legally put money in to save paying some tax, it just the same thing but on a smaller scale!

Investing in an ISA in a British bank is at least keeping the money within our own fiscal economy and not being siphoned off to an international tax haven

 

[Tony_Munky_Canary]

This is very true, in the business that I'm in you would always get tradesmen doing the odd 'cash job' , but now it's become much more common. At the end of the day if someone wants to pay me £5k cash for goods that's fine. As a company we're doing nothing wrong it's none of our business how our customers' manage their accounts

I don't think I've ever paid a tradesman in anything other than cash, including the £1500 decking job we're having done on Monday (you know your age when you get really excited about having decking put in! )

 

[Guru of Ipswich]

Investing in an ISA in a British bank is at least keeping the money within our own fiscal economy and not being siphoned off to an international tax haven

But it is still avoiding tax paying, on a much smaller scale granted. Apparently 8 out of 10 cats tonight he gets it both barrells so at least he is man enough to face the music.

The way i see it, its the government who should be saying sorry for letting such a loophole happen, not somebody who has taken advantage of something which is legal to do!

 

[Guru of Ipswich]

I don't think I've ever paid a tradesman in anything other than cash, including the £1500 decking job we're having done on Monday (you know your age when you get really excited about having decking put in! )

So did you pay VAT Sid?

 

[Superman wears Grant Holt pyjamas in bed]

But it is still avoiding tax paying, on a much smaller scale granted. Apparently 8 out of 10 cats tonight he gets it both barrells so at least he is man enough to face the music.

The way i see it, its the government who should be saying sorry for letting such a loophole happen, not somebody who has taken advantage of something which is legal to do!

i agree with you guru.

 

[canary_max]

But it is still avoiding tax paying, on a much smaller scale granted. Apparently 8 out of 10 cats tonight he gets it both barrells so at least he is man enough to face the music.

why is this avoiding paying tax? the government set this scheme up to encourage savings; you can't compare it to tax avoidance schemes Guru.


paying tradesmen cash seems to be quite widespread now. sometimes you get put under pressure to pay in cash i find.

 

[Cruyff's Turn]

I see that..up to a point.However if you don't put enough through you will get investigated and it can be hard to turn business away.Rock and a hard place really.Thanks for that George.

 

[Guru of Ipswich]

I don't know the ins and out, something about you can put some much in from your wages i believe and if you declare it before taxation. I might be totally wrong but there is something about tax and ISA.

I admit, if i can pay with cash i will do.

 

[Tony_Munky_Canary]

So basically you don't really know what you're talking about, thanks for clearing that up

Oh, and I've not paid for the decking work yet but yes, I would sincerely hope that the price will include VAT

 

[Guru of Ipswich]

So basically you don't really know what you're talking about, thanks for clearing that up

Oh, and I've not paid for the decking work yet but yes, I would sincerely hope that the price will include VAT

Just because i didn't know the ins and out of it all, doesn't mean that i'm wrong. There is definately something about tax relief and ISA. So basically its a government backed K2!

 

[johnnywarksmoustache]

I don't object to paying my fair share of TAX but what I do seriously object to is it all being pissed up against a wall especially under the days of Gordon Brown! Thanks to his raid on my private pension it is now pretty much worthless. And then our poor GP's and Doctors go on strike as they will have to pay a little more to recieve their £68K a year pension.

 

[KIO]

I don't object to paying my fair share of TAX but what I do seriously object to is it all being pissed up against a wall especially under the days of Gordon Brown! Thanks to his raid on my private pension it is now pretty much worthless. And then our poor GP's and Doctors go on strike as they will have to pay a little more to recieve their £68K a year pension.

Don't talk to me about Gordon ****ing Brown, we'll be here all day. I think probably his best decision was to sell all of our gold just before the world price shot through the roof !

 

[Jerel Ifil]

That's an outrageously simplistic take on it.As someone observed we have the least bad system possible with democracy.People have to pay tax in some form or there would be no services,police,education,medical.The only argument is how we cut the cake.

Yes there would be services, they'd just be run by real, hard-working people and not forcibly prescribed in a one-size-fits-all fashion. And I'll bet it would save the average man a lot of money as well, not having to subsidize Quangos, bureaucrats and foreign wars with his money. Unless he really wanted to of course - that's the beauty of freedom: you can make your own choices with it.

In my experience,and I have a bit,politicians are largely well meaning people.I've even known a couple of decent Tories.Maybe you should experience Eastern European style "Socialism" or the sort of government that US survivalists crave with no state interference at all.But it would be a return to the dark ages.

All I crave is a voluntary world where people aren't systematically extorted, stolen from and assaulted by the Government if they wish to live freely. Not saying other people can't elect politicians to manage their individual affairs if they so wish, that's totally up to them.

The only things I know about the 'survivalist' movement are from the Louis Theroux documentary, and they seemed a decent enough bunch, living peacefully on the land they pay and work to own without either giving or taking from the government, albeit a bit paranoid about nuclear warfare and with the odd whackjob 'new world order' and 'white power' type among them. Nothing wrong with their cause overall in my eyes. You really think their land should be invaded and their possessions stolen to pay for services they don't want? I forget how aggressive and violent people are sometimes.

Yeah good luck with that mate

Thanks. Glad you now know a proper moral argument.

PS, if either of you have five minutes, this video might challenge your perceptions a bit.

 

[stilljaroldcanary]

Don't talk to me about Gordon ****ing Brown, we'll be here all day. I think probably his best decision was to sell all of our gold just before the world price shot through the roof !

all these posh boys wether Labour,Liberal or Tory aint got a clue, were all fed with a silver spoon , never done a days work, dont know what being hard up means........probably get arrested for saying this but dont you all think its time for a REVOLUTION!..... or we could start a not606 party where the only requirements are you must be skint, a football season ticket holder or have at least 5 away match stubs, bet we could sort out all the carp!..... K2 just damn well seize the assets for a start

 

[Jerel Ifil]

Time to smash **** up. Let's start with Manchester.

 

[YellowLittle]

all these posh boys wether Labour,Liberal or Tory aint got a clue, were all fed with a silver spoon , never done a days work, dont know what being hard up means........probably get arrested for saying this but dont you all think its time for a REVOLUTION!..... or we could start a not606 party where the only requirements are you must be skint, a football season ticket holder or have at least 5 away match stubs, bet we could sort out all the carp!..... K2 just damn well seize the assets for a start

I think the Not606 party will involve way too much debate, especially if the scummers are on board. Col_UMike can be our Boris "laughing stock" Johnson.

 

[Tony_Munky_Canary]

a bit paranoid about nuclear warfare and with the odd whackjob 'new world order' and 'white power' type among them.

Yeah, they sound great - where do I sign up?


And sorry I don't go along with your ideology mate, yeah sure it all sounds wonderful but any system involving human beings - and the greed the comes along with them - is ultimately going to end up broken and up to it's eyeballs in corruption and a world away from the happy clappy ideals they start off with.

There you go, there's a bit of perspective from the real world, sorry to piss on your parade

 

[Jerel Ifil]

Yeah, they sound great - where do I sign up?

You get that type of person in literally ANY political movement. Communist, socialist, liberal, conservative, nationalist - you name it, they've got some cranks in there. And actually the two racist chaps they interviewed in that documentary were roundly rejected by all the other 'survivalists' and actually preached in a different state altogether from the main camp. So to try damage their movement by association seems a little bit needless.

And sorry I don't go along with your ideology, yeah sure it all sounds wonderful but any system involving human beings - and the greed the comes along with them - is ultimately going to end up broken and up to it's eyeballs in corruption and a world away from the happy clappy ideals they start off with.

I'd say exactly the same to you. "When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are the legislators". This utopian idea that government can work fairly has blown up into a corrupt and scandalous mess, and the ruling class have had their snouts firmly in the trough from day one - even the so-called saints among them like Tony Benn. At least with my ideal, the only people a person can damage with corruption and dysfunctionality is themselves and their family. At the moment, if a politician is corrupt and dysfunctional, they can (and do) damage whole countries.

Following your argument to its logical conclusion, if you keep the power that corrupts people at the lowest possible level (i.e. the individual), surely that's the best way to keep it at bay?

There you go, there's a bit of perspective from the real world, sorry to piss on your parade

My parade hasn't even begun yet, you wait. The world is becoming a smaller place with the arrival of the internet and other technologies. Borders are getting broken down. Voluntary exchanges are on the up. Government is becoming increasingly meddlesome and unwanted by people. It's only a matter of time before things start to kick off - some would say they already have.

 

[johnnywarksmoustache]

Thats a bit strange... I thought I was on a football forum for a moment not a message board for student agitators!