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My attitude is that I'll believe in Royalty if it's possible for me to get to be king. This is, after all, supposed to be a "democracy"!

You're mixing two very different things, but arguably you could be King, all you need do is check out the history of the Monarchy and look at previous changes.
 
They cost us millions. Tourists come and see the buildings and things like the crown jewels. They would still exist and be visited if we got rid of the monarchy, but we'd no longer need to pay for their security and privelaged lifestyles. As a result of the continued tourism the buildings would be maintained. What they represent is far from great, they're born into a position of privelage which it is virtually impossible for them to lose (last blood royal to be stripped of their position?) and which other people cannot even hope to attain. I'm sure some of them are really nice people who use their position to help charities and such like, but it's completely wrong that they're elevated above the rest of us purely because they were born into it.

The buildings are unlikely to exist in their current form if the Royals weren't obliged to maintain them, plus a big part of the attraction is the history associated with them. We'd still need to pay for their security in the same way that former PM's and Presidents cost more than the ones in Office. The difference is that contrary to what you put, the Royals cost nothing and play their part in bringing in billions of pounds of income from trade and charity.

As for losing the priveliged position, I wouldn't swap my life for their goldfish bowl existence.
 
The buildings are unlikely to exist in their current form if the Royals weren't obliged to maintain them, plus a big part of the attraction is the history associated with them. We'd still need to pay for their security in the same way that former PM's and Presidents cost more than the ones in Office. The difference is that contrary to what you put, the Royals cost nothing and play their part in bringing in billions of pounds of income from trade and charity.

As for losing the priveliged position, I wouldn't swap my life for their goldfish bowl existence.

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The fact that they're Greek/German/Eskimo is reason enough.

It's most likely your ancestory came from Germany (Anglo Saxon) Scandinavia (Norse), Ireland/ Wales/ Scotland (Celtic), Italy (Roman) or France (Norman). I very much doubt most of us are 100% English and have no other blood lines from those who have invaded/ come over to England over the centuries.
 
It's most likely your ancestory came from Germany (Anglo Saxon) Scandinavia (Norse), Ireland/ Wales/ Scotland (Celtic), Italy (Roman) or France (Norman). I very much doubt most of us are 100% English and have no other blood lines from those who have invaded/ come over to England over the centuries.

According to the experts, the majority of people in Britain can trace their DNA back to the original settlers, left here when the ice melted and cut us off from mainland Europe.
 
It's most likely your ancestory came from Germany (Anglo Saxon) Scandinavia (Norse), Ireland/ Wales/ Scotland (Celtic), Italy (Roman) or France (Norman). I very much doubt most of us are 100% English and have no other blood lines from those who have invaded/ come over to England over the centuries.

I'm not 100% English, I come from Scotland!!!!!
 
They're effectively the same peoples. :emoticon-0112-wonde

I do wonder why people are desperate to deny their roots.

I'm not someone who is desperate to deny my roots.

My eye and hair colouring, plus my surname, indicate Danish roots. On my dad's side, his grandmother was Russian Jewish. My house landlord's ancestry is Norman. My local pub's landlord is of Ukrainian descent.

The point I'm making is that the "British" have always been a mixture - from the first invaders, right up to the last (the Normans).

So it might be suitable to have a Greco-German royal family. They and we are all mongrels.

But I'm still not a Royalist ffs. If anything, I'm an anarchist.<cool>
 
They're effectively the same peoples. :emoticon-0112-wonde

I do wonder why people are desperate to deny their roots.

I'm not denying anything. I know i'm half English and half Scottish. I love these countries and Britain. I also know that with a surname like "lloyd" i'm pretty sure my old man's ancestors must have come from Wales and settled here.
 
When I am King the Royals will be first against the wall.

"Tear me apart and boil my bones I'll not rest till she's lost her thrown, my aim is true, my message is clear it's curtains for you Elizabeth my dear"
Brown & Squire (Stone Roses) c.1989

They are all inbred scum
 
The buildings are unlikely to exist in their current form if the Royals weren't obliged to maintain them, plus a big part of the attraction is the history associated with them. We'd still need to pay for their security in the same way that former PM's and Presidents cost more than the ones in Office. The difference is that contrary to what you put, the Royals cost nothing and play their part in bringing in billions of pounds of income from trade and charity.

As for losing the priveliged position, I wouldn't swap my life for their goldfish bowl existence.

You think the Royals maintain them? I think that comes from the national coffers along with millions in payments to them. They are a monkey on the back of this country.
 
I'm not someone who is desperate to deny my roots.

My eye and hair colouring, plus my surname, indicate Danish roots. On my dad's side, his grandmother was Russian Jewish. My house landlord's ancestry is Norman. My local pub's landlord is of Ukrainian descent.

The point I'm making is that the "British" have always been a mixture - from the first invaders, right up to the last (the Normans).

So it might be suitable to have a Greco-German royal family. They and we are all mongrels.

But I'm still not a Royalist ffs. If anything, I'm an anarchist.<cool>

depends what you mean by "Britains" and "English" but the first settlers on these Isles didn't invade, they just remained when the ice left and most people in what is now Britain share their DNA.

You seem chuffed to be Danish, which is possibly more mongrelised, yet detemined to deny the fact that in this Country, few are actually mongrels.

You may also want to look at where the Normans came from. :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
You think the Royals maintain them? I think that comes from the national coffers along with millions in payments to them. They are a monkey on the back of this country.

Having looked into it, I totally disagree, but if it gives you a focus, you enjoy.
 
When I am King the Royals will be first against the wall.

Republicanism is a crap idea. We already have a devolved monarchy anyway and the politicians are ruining this country. Our history, economy, traditions, laws, identity thorughout the world is all based on the monarchy.
 
I'm not denying anything. I know i'm half English and half Scottish. I love these countries and Britain. I also know that with a surname like "lloyd" i'm pretty sure my old man's ancestors must have come from Wales and settled here.


The Welsh, a region synonymous with the names Evans and Jones, yet with an alphabet that has no J's or V's. <cool>
 
You think the Royals maintain them? I think that comes from the national coffers along with millions in payments to them. They are a monkey on the back of this country.

Actually, that's completely wrong, the monarch owns the Crown Estates and the Duchy of Lancaster, but all of the income goes to the Treasury. The Prince of Wales owns the Duchy of Cornwall and a quarter of the income goes to the Treasury(3 times as much as if it paid Corporation Tax). Out of this, we pay for the costs of running the royal family, it only costs us about half of the £230m generated by the Crown Estates.
 
That may be OLM although I have not seen these published stats anywhere and I am unsure as to what year you refer to? The fact of the matter is, it is the property and not necessarily this current crop of vile individuals who generate this money for the country, how did they obtain the property in the first place? To me the property should be in the ownership of the country and an asset to the country and not to those people. Additionally when the lovely Liz dies will her family have to pay inheritance tax on the property left? No of course not - surely the Nil Rate Band (of £325,000) should apply to her as well as it does to us 'plebs'? Then the country would receive Inheritance tax on the passing assets of 40% after this sum, subject to some other minor adjustments.

I know we have got off the subject somewhat and we all have our opinion and I respect that but I don't see how the fact that there are no street party requests in Hull for this wedding to make the people of Hull miserable.

An incidental to this is that the Prince of Golf (Andrew) earns £250k per annum to hang about with billionaire *****'s - nice!